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Nate Thayer has been in touch with the man who sold Roof the Rhodesia patch. The non Photoshopped version. Unless Thayer is in on the conspiracy as well:
"I managed to locate the man who manufactured this patch and sold it to Dylan Roof three months ago (photo bottom left). I contacted him and inquired as to whether Roof had purchased the Rhodesian flag patch from him. He confirmed it had.
When, two days ago, he recognized from media pictures that the man who had committed mass murder was wearing a product he manufactured and had sold to him, on his own initiative, he ceased selling the patch and pulled the product. He told me this, providing context and expressing remorse:
"Dear Nate,
I had those patches made for FN FAL rifle collectors because of the historical significance of the FAL rifle. As an avid collector of FAL rifles (the NATO cold war rifle), I had storage bags made for all the NATO countries that had the rifle.
That was my sole reason for having the patch made.
The British "Empire" used the FAL rifle in the Rhodesian war and in Argentina. They are two completely different rifle designs and the Rhodesian war FN FAL rifle is painted a distinct Green and Yellow color that collectors try to obtain intact.
I didn't even consider that some lunatic would see this flag as a symbol of white supremacy and murder 9 God loving people.
This was not even in my realm thinking when I had the Rhodesian flag patches made. Its sole relevance was for FN FAL rifle collectors.
I have therefore removed the Patch if it is going to be used as a symbol of hate. I do not condone or subscribe to this thinking.
Don XXXX"
"I managed to locate the man who manufactured this patch and sold it to Dylan Roof three months ago (photo bottom left). I contacted him and inquired as to whether Roof had purchased the Rhodesian flag patch from him. He confirmed it had.
When, two days ago, he recognized from media pictures that the man who had committed mass murder was wearing a product he manufactured and had sold to him, on his own initiative, he ceased selling the patch and pulled the product. He told me this, providing context and expressing remorse:
"Dear Nate,
I had those patches made for FN FAL rifle collectors because of the historical significance of the FAL rifle. As an avid collector of FAL rifles (the NATO cold war rifle), I had storage bags made for all the NATO countries that had the rifle.
That was my sole reason for having the patch made.
The British "Empire" used the FAL rifle in the Rhodesian war and in Argentina. They are two completely different rifle designs and the Rhodesian war FN FAL rifle is painted a distinct Green and Yellow color that collectors try to obtain intact.
I didn't even consider that some lunatic would see this flag as a symbol of white supremacy and murder 9 God loving people.
This was not even in my realm thinking when I had the Rhodesian flag patches made. Its sole relevance was for FN FAL rifle collectors.
I have therefore removed the Patch if it is going to be used as a symbol of hate. I do not condone or subscribe to this thinking.
Don XXXX"
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I almost get the impression this isn't really even a racist hatred crime. More of just a dumb kid attention seeking crime if anything, and racism just provided a convenient vehicle for that.
We live in age where kids will do all sort of weird sh!t just to get 5 minutes of fame on Facebook or Youtube, but some are looking for something more lasting even if it is as fcuked up as this. Sign of the times maybe??
We live in age where kids will do all sort of weird sh!t just to get 5 minutes of fame on Facebook or Youtube, but some are looking for something more lasting even if it is as fcuked up as this. Sign of the times maybe??
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Oh, wake the fuck up! it was a race-hate crime.
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Adam Lanza, Dylann Roof, Elliot Rodger. Do they all have something in common?
Part of it is the attention the media gives them imho.
Interesting that with Roof, he spoke about doing this sort of thing before, but his parents chose to ignore it when giving him money to buy a gun. Why? Was it because they just saw as attention seeking behavior?
''Like Zeynep Tufekci, who wrote about this phenomena two years ago in The Atlantic, "I am increasingly concerned that the tornado of media coverage that swirls around each such mass killing and the acute interest in the identity and characteristics of the shooter...may be creating a vicious cycle of copycat effects..."
''Mass murderers want glory and fame," he wrote at Vox. "Somehow, we need to stop giving it to them." That sounds doable. By custom, the U.S. media doesn't report troop movements or the names of underage rape victims. Outlets follow certain practices when reporting on suicide, too. There's no reason that better practices can't develop around mass shootings. They needn't be adhered to by everyone to work''
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... me/371599/
Adam Lanza
''Lanza's descent to madness and murder: Sandy Hook shooter notched up 83,000 online kills including 22,000 'head shots' using violent games to train himself for his massacre
A new book titled 'Newtown: An American Tragedy' reveals new details about Adam Lanza's life
The 20-year-old gunman also wore head-to-toe military garb around the house and created an indoor shooting range where he used his pellet gun to shoot at homemade paper targets
Nancy Lanza also recalled to a friend days before the attack that her son had become increasingly obsessed with the military since she told him he wasn't cut out to be a Marine
She described finding disturbing pictures of mutilated corpses and murdered children under his bed''
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3dlMubRac
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Elliott Rodger
''NPD would appear likely although some features of Histrionic (HPD) and Borderline (BPD) personality disorders and some of his symptoms don’t quite fit NPD. Grandiosity is the key feature of NPD along with a lack of ability to empathize and a constant need for attention. Rodger displayed all of these symptoms in abundance''
''Obviously Rodger met these criteria as demonstrated in his manifesto, comments on websites, and YouTube video. His grandiosity led to an extreme sense of entitlement to women and he spent a huge amount of his resources on cars and other possession to gain their attention. His sense of self-esteem was based entirely on the reactions of others and his goal of having sex was obviously set because he believed that this would gain approval from others. His personality impairments certainly prevented him from forming any type of intimate relationship, although this appears to be what he was seeking. NPD is probably a good starting point in the diagnostic process. However, his hatred of both men and women, his rage, and his extreme violent behavior directed at self and others would suggest multiple diagnoses, not just NPD''
http://thedamnedoldeman.com/?p=9866
Part of it is the attention the media gives them imho.
Interesting that with Roof, he spoke about doing this sort of thing before, but his parents chose to ignore it when giving him money to buy a gun. Why? Was it because they just saw as attention seeking behavior?
''Like Zeynep Tufekci, who wrote about this phenomena two years ago in The Atlantic, "I am increasingly concerned that the tornado of media coverage that swirls around each such mass killing and the acute interest in the identity and characteristics of the shooter...may be creating a vicious cycle of copycat effects..."
''Mass murderers want glory and fame," he wrote at Vox. "Somehow, we need to stop giving it to them." That sounds doable. By custom, the U.S. media doesn't report troop movements or the names of underage rape victims. Outlets follow certain practices when reporting on suicide, too. There's no reason that better practices can't develop around mass shootings. They needn't be adhered to by everyone to work''
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... me/371599/
Adam Lanza
''Lanza's descent to madness and murder: Sandy Hook shooter notched up 83,000 online kills including 22,000 'head shots' using violent games to train himself for his massacre
A new book titled 'Newtown: An American Tragedy' reveals new details about Adam Lanza's life
The 20-year-old gunman also wore head-to-toe military garb around the house and created an indoor shooting range where he used his pellet gun to shoot at homemade paper targets
Nancy Lanza also recalled to a friend days before the attack that her son had become increasingly obsessed with the military since she told him he wasn't cut out to be a Marine
She described finding disturbing pictures of mutilated corpses and murdered children under his bed''
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3dlMubRac
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Elliott Rodger
''NPD would appear likely although some features of Histrionic (HPD) and Borderline (BPD) personality disorders and some of his symptoms don’t quite fit NPD. Grandiosity is the key feature of NPD along with a lack of ability to empathize and a constant need for attention. Rodger displayed all of these symptoms in abundance''
''Obviously Rodger met these criteria as demonstrated in his manifesto, comments on websites, and YouTube video. His grandiosity led to an extreme sense of entitlement to women and he spent a huge amount of his resources on cars and other possession to gain their attention. His sense of self-esteem was based entirely on the reactions of others and his goal of having sex was obviously set because he believed that this would gain approval from others. His personality impairments certainly prevented him from forming any type of intimate relationship, although this appears to be what he was seeking. NPD is probably a good starting point in the diagnostic process. However, his hatred of both men and women, his rage, and his extreme violent behavior directed at self and others would suggest multiple diagnoses, not just NPD''
http://thedamnedoldeman.com/?p=9866
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Christ on a cracker.spitthedog wrote:I almost get the impression this isn't really even a racist hatred crime. More of just a dumb kid attention seeking crime if anything, and racism just provided a convenient vehicle for that.
We live in age where kids will do all sort of weird sh!t just to get 5 minutes of fame on Facebook or Youtube, but some are looking for something more lasting even if it is as fcuked up as this. Sign of the times maybe??
He's a grown man (21) whose attention-seeking days are over, for one thing. He told friends how he feels. He wrote it all up on a website. He wore on his clothes and car. He told survivors of the massacre it's a racist hate-crime. He told authorities that's why he did it. Hell, he went out of his way to research the church (a historic building and the site of a planned slave rebellion that was burned by white mobs before being rebuilt) because he was too scared to shoot up a neighborhood.
But oh no. That's not good enough, LOL. It has to be something other than race.
Shooters of color are called ‘terrorists’ and ‘thugs.’ Why are white shooters called ‘mentally ill’? By Anthea Butler
http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... terrorism/
Police are investigating the fatal shooting of nine African Americans at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C., as a hate crime committed by a white man. Unfortunately, it’s not a unique event in American history. Black churches have long been targets of white supremacists who burned and bombed them in an effort to terrorize the black communities those churches anchored. One of the most egregious terrorist acts in U.S. history was committed against a black church in Birmingham, Ala., in 1963. Four girls were killed when members of the Ku Klux Klan bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church, a tragedy that ignited the civil rights movement.
But listen to major media outlets, and you won’t hear the word “terrorism” used in coverage of Wednesday’s shooting. You haven’t heard the white, male suspect, 21-year-old Dylann Roof, described as “a possible terrorist” by mainstream news organizations (though some, including The Washington Post, have covered the growing debate about this discrepancy). And if coverage of other recent shootings by white men is any indication, he never will be. Instead, the go-to explanation for his alleged actions will be mental illness. He will be humanized and called sick, a victim of mistreatment or inadequate mental health resources.
That narrative has formed quickly for Roof. Soon after his arrest Thursday, former FBI special agent Jonathan Gilliam appeared on CNN, saying that Roof probably “has some mental issues” and didn’t know he had done anything wrong. That is the power of whiteness in America.
U.S. media outlets practice a different policy when covering crimes involving African Americans or Muslims. As suspects, they are quickly characterized as terrorists and thugs (if not always explicitly using the terms), motivated purely by evil intent instead of external injustices. While white suspects are lone wolves — Charleston Mayor Joseph Riley has emphasized that this shooting was an act of just “one hateful person” — violence by black and Muslim people is systemic, demanding response and action from all who share their race or religion. Even black victims are vilified. Their lives are combed for any infraction or hint of justification for the murders or attacks that befall them: Trayvon Martin was wearing a hoodie, which was “as much responsible for [his] death as George Zimmerman,” Fox News’s Geraldo Rivera concluded. Michael Brown stole cigars, and Eric Garner sold loosie cigarettes — “epically bad decisions” that New York Post columnist Bob McManus, and many others, used to somehow justify their deaths. And when Dajerria Becton, a black teenager who committed no crime, was tackled and held down by a police officer at a pool party in McKinney, Tex., Fox News host Megyn Kelly described her as “no saint either.”
In public discussions, black children often morph into potentially menacing adults after they’ve been victimized, while white mass shooters are portrayed as children, even if they’re well into their 20s. Media reports and police statements repeatedly referred to Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old boy shot by police in Cleveland while playing with a toy gun last year, as a “young man.” But James Holmes, who was 25 when he shot dozens at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater, was frequently defined by his youth in media profiles, which described him as “a normal kid,” a “typical American kid” and “a smart kid.”
Roof is getting the same treatment. In an interview with CNN on Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) insisted that the 21-year-old is just “one of these whacked-out kids.” Since Roof’s arrest on nine counts of murder, the Wall Street Journal and other major news outlets have called him “a loner” in headlines.
But it will be difficult to hold to this corrosive, racist media narrative when reporting on the Charleston shooting. Those who were killed were simply participating in a Wednesday night Bible study. And the shooter’s choice of Emanuel AME was most likely deliberate, given the church’s storied history. It was the first African Methodist Episcopal church in the South, founded in 1818 by a group of men including Morris Brown, a prominent pastor, and Denmark Vesey, who would go on to lead a large, yet failed, slave revolt in Charleston. The church was targeted early on by fearful whites because it was built with money from anti-slavery societies in the North. In 1822, church members were investigated for involvement in planning Vesey’s slave revolt, and the building was burned to the ground in retribution.
In that context, it’s clear that killing the pastor and members of this church was a deliberate act of hate. Mayor Riley noted that “the only reason that someone could walk into a church and shoot people praying is out of hate.” But we need to take it a step further. There was a message of intimidation behind this shooting, an act that mirrors a history of terrorism against black institutions involved in promoting civil and human rights. The hesitation by some in the media to label the white, male killer a terrorist is telling.
In the rapidly forming news narrative, the fact that black churches and mosques historically have been the targets of racial violence in America should not be overlooked. While the 1963 Birmingham church bombing is the most historic, there also was a series of church burnings in the 1990s. Recognition of the terror those and similar acts impose on communities seems to have been forgotten post-Sept. 11, 2001. The subsequent Islamophobia that has gripped sectors of the media and politics suggests that “terrorism” applies only in cases in which the suspects are darker-skinned.
This time, I hope journalists will ask questions that get to the root of racially motivated violence in America. Where did this man learn to hate black people so much? Did he have an allegiance to the Confederate flag that continues to fly over the South Carolina capitol? Was he influenced by the right-wing media’s endless portrayals of black Americans as lazy and violent?
I hope the coverage won’t fall back on the typical narrative ascribed to white, male shooters: lone, disturbed or mentally ill young men failed by society. This was not an act of just “one hateful person.” It was a manifestation of the racial hatred and white supremacy that continue to pervade our society, 50 years after the Birmingham bombing galvanized the civil rights movement.
That systemic prejudice is evident in the Confederate flag that remains at the statehouse because white “tradition” is more important than a history of racial terrorism against black people. It is evident in the assault rifles that white “patriots” were able to parade around outside a mosque in Arizona, while a black man was killed by police for picking up a rifle for sale in an Ohio Wal-Mart. It is evident in the tea party rallying call to “take back our country,” words mirrored by the Charleston shooter as he killed nine black Americans.
The Charleston shooting is a result of an ingrained culture of racism and a history of terrorism in America. It should be covered as such. On Friday, Department of Justice spokeswoman Emily Pierce acknowledged that the Charleston shooting “was undoubtedly designed to strike fear and terror into this community” (though terrorism is not among the nine murder charges brought against Roof, so far). And now that Roof has admitted to killing those people to start a “race war,” we should be calling him what he is: a terrorist.
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Nirvana,
Not convinced mate...plus he looks too much like the bloke out of Dumb & Dumber for me to be able to take him seriously. Race my arse.
Not convinced mate...plus he looks too much like the bloke out of Dumb & Dumber for me to be able to take him seriously. Race my arse.
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100k people holding hands in solidarity in Charleston of all races. No riots, no bullshit. I always loved this town, now even more. Bravo, citizens of Charleston.
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One day I would like to see an argument put forward by Nirvana which isn't simply an article cut and pasted from somewhere else with a 'there, told you!' appendix added by her.
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Those silly little badges on his jacket, pudding basin haircut, and sneer would suggest otherwise imo.Nirvana wrote: He's a grown man (21) whose attention-seeking days are over..
And just look at that smug, self satisfied photo of Elliot Rodger. How much time did that kid spend looking in the mirror?? It's like some of the photos of pedos you see on here.
The Zimmerman case is another interesting one to me. I remember the outrage just after he shot the black kid - a disgusting vile race hate crime!!! It was on the news for months and he almost seemed to revel in the attention...
Now after his more recent shenanigans nobody seems that interested in him anymore.
I guess as soon as he threatened to kill his girlfriend etc etc etc people lost interest as they assumed he was just a nutcase after all. The race hate crime aspect was THE story.
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I'm sure some of us have read that American college classic, "Lies My Teacher Told Me": here the writer deconstructs a very relevant American myth, demonstrating how American can invent its history and fool some of her patriots
http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... d=pm_pop_b
http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... d=pm_pop_b
Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong.
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Worth noting, imo
http://www.theweek.co.uk/64148/white-te ... says-studyWhite extremists have killed more people in domestic US attacks than radical Islamists since the World Trade Centre attacks on 11 September 2001
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Sadly noted.andyinasia wrote:Worth noting, imo
http://www.theweek.co.uk/64148/white-te ... says-studyWhite extremists have killed more people in domestic US attacks than radical Islamists since the World Trade Centre attacks on 11 September 2001
That was a masterpiece in manipulation. No wonder there wasn't a name put to it.andyinasia wrote:Worth noting, imo
http://www.theweek.co.uk/64148/white-te ... says-studyWhite extremists have killed more people in domestic US attacks than radical Islamists since the World Trade Centre attacks on 11 September 2001
Not sure why they would miss out 9/11, which will outnumber other deaths forever.
They counted 9 murders by the lone loon at the church, and a two person " revolution" by these nutters
I'm disappointed at some people in the media bending over backwards to call white loons sane, just so they can play the race card.
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