Weeping in Ramallah
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Weeping in Ramallah
I just watched an interview on BBC with the head of Hamas, in the midst of what is going on in Gaza, and clips of those killed, women and children, senseless, horrible violence.
I understand that on occasion, Israel is justified in is response, but the Hamas leader raised a very pertinent question, why is Hamas asked to unconditionally opt for peaceful means when peaceful means have profited them nothing for so long?
Why should they be expected to forego the right to self-determination and be allowed a democratically-elected government of their own?
The elephant in the room.
Nearly 700 dead now.
A broken problem.
I understand that on occasion, Israel is justified in is response, but the Hamas leader raised a very pertinent question, why is Hamas asked to unconditionally opt for peaceful means when peaceful means have profited them nothing for so long?
Why should they be expected to forego the right to self-determination and be allowed a democratically-elected government of their own?
The elephant in the room.
Nearly 700 dead now.
A broken problem.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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Because you can't kill Jews peacefully.
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There is an interesting article on spiked online dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the seemingly insatiable appetite of liberals and leftists-people who read the Guardian- for Palestinian death porn.
You put a photo or video footage of a dead Palestinian kid in front of these people and suddenly they behave like Khmers at the scene of a fatal accident or shooting.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... 9MuaK5dlkg
You put a photo or video footage of a dead Palestinian kid in front of these people and suddenly they behave like Khmers at the scene of a fatal accident or shooting.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... 9MuaK5dlkg
Your pity for Palestinians is making things worse in Gaza
Western thirst for images of the dead could be contributing to the bloodshed.
In the war of words over the war between Israel and Hamas, one question is asked time and again: why does Hamas put the civilians of Gaza in harm’s way? Hamas at least stands accused by some of encouraging Palestinians to act as human shields against the rockets from Israel and storing weaponry in civilian buildings. This week the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees reported the discovery of Hamas rockets in a vacant school, in between two buildings housing 3,000 displaced Palestinians. Certainly when Palestinians are killed, Hamas’s leaders swiftly organise photo opportunities for foreign observers, giving rise to a situation where, in one journalist’s words, ‘wounded and dead women and children [are paraded] in front of the cameras’. The Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu caused a storm when he referred to these unfortunate souls as ‘telegenically dead’ Palestinians, publicly displayed by Hamas to ‘garner international sympathy’.
Various explanations have been offered for Hamas’s alleged endangering of Palestinian life. It does it because it is cynical, wicked, so determined to depict Israel as the monster of the Middle East that it’s actually pleased when Gazans get killed, commentators claim. But there is something else, too, another side to this sordid story, another aspect to these allegations about Hamas’s complicity in, or lack of care about, the rising death toll in Gaza. And that is the question of what urge, what audience, Hamas is allegedly trying to satisfy with its imagery of dead Palestinians. The answer is us, individuals in the West who cannot get enough of horror stories of Palestinian victimhood, campaigners and journalists over here who now barter in gory images of killed Palestinians and who promote and share such images both to demonstrate their own emotional intelligence and to put pressure on international institutions to rein in Israel and recognise Palestinian statehood.
That is, it’s all well and good to criticise Hamas for its supply of images of ‘telegenically dead’ Palestinians, but we also need to interrogate the demand side to this relationship, the thirst that exists here in the West for graphic proof of Palestinian victimhood, and the way in which this demand might, perversely, be contributing to the bloodshed in Gaza. Is it possible that modern-day Palestinian solidarity campaigns, which now almost exclusively use images of victimised Palestinians as leverage against Israel in international forums, are implicitly inviting the Palestinian leadership itself to provide more such images, and possibly more dead?
Hamas’s suspected endangerment of civilian areas of Gaza is not taking place in a vacuum. It’s occurring at a time when imagery and reports of Palestinian suffering have extraordinary clout, becoming a kind of currency in international media and campaigning circles. The Western appetite for pictures of and information about Palestinian suffering is vast. Media outlets and pro-Palestinian campaigners count and even name every Gazan killed in rocket attacks. The hashtag #GazaUnderAttack has become one of the busiest on Twitter, being used hundreds of thousands of times to share graphic images of dead Palestinians. Some newspapers have broken their own taste guidelines in order to publish photographs of dead children. When an Israeli rocket hit a beach and horrifically killed four children, images of the kids’ dead bodies were widely shared, one of the surviving boys was interviewed on primetime news shows, and anti-Israel memes were created calling on outsiders to do something to stop Israeli militarism.
The message that all this morally pornographic promotion of images and reports of Palestinian death sends to Hamas is this: victimhood works. The feverish Western marshalling of emotive imagery of Palestinian corpses to the political end of seeking sanctions against Israel or greater international protection for the Palestinian territories surely has the effect of encouraging Hamas to try to provide more of the same, more ‘telegenically dead’ Palestinians. There is a logic to Hamas’s alleged encouragement of great risk among the Gazan civilian population and certainly to its ‘parading’ of dead bodies before the press: it’s a response to the grotesque Western fashion for looking at, sharing and using as political tools images of dead Palestinians. Hamas is best seen as a kind of drug pusher to those in the West who have developed a very ugly habit of exploiting images of brutalised Palestinians both for their own needs (to advertise their emotional awareness) and for political purposes (to exert pressure on our leaders to condemn Israel).
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What is the tally from 1948 so far, Israelis vs. Palestinians?Felgerkarb wrote:Because you can't kill Jews peacefully.
Just in this conflict alone, about 7 vs. 700
The murder of the Israeli teenagers sparked this off, then 1 Palestinian teenager, now chaos
Must take a real man to kill a child or a woman.
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No rockets fired from the West Bank, which is full of Palastinians and under Palastinian Authoruty control and also not being bothered. This is not an Israeli - Palastinian war. It's Hamas versus Israel.
I don't like anyone killed like this, but Western press acting as the media arm of Hamas, a terrorist organization is sickening. One thing not reported a lot. Israeli military hospitals treating civilian casualties in Gaza for free...and Palastinians accepting the help. It's not all one sided as shown in the media. But, they voted Abbas in...reap it.
I don't like anyone killed like this, but Western press acting as the media arm of Hamas, a terrorist organization is sickening. One thing not reported a lot. Israeli military hospitals treating civilian casualties in Gaza for free...and Palastinians accepting the help. It's not all one sided as shown in the media. But, they voted Abbas in...reap it.
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Hamas are cunts, so are the far right on the Israeli side.
I'm just glad that this time the IDF's decision of a ground invasion has resulted in their men suffering comparatively high casualties. Your average Joe in Tel Aviv is unlikely to pay much attention to yet another Palestinian mother doubled over in grief. He will relate to seeing Star of David clad coffins.
Israel needs to lift the blockade and Hamas needs to take a page from Fatah and the PLO. The fight's lost. Time for diplomacy.
I'm just glad that this time the IDF's decision of a ground invasion has resulted in their men suffering comparatively high casualties. Your average Joe in Tel Aviv is unlikely to pay much attention to yet another Palestinian mother doubled over in grief. He will relate to seeing Star of David clad coffins.
Israel needs to lift the blockade and Hamas needs to take a page from Fatah and the PLO. The fight's lost. Time for diplomacy.
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Haha! Exactly. As I stated in another thread, the issue will be resolved when the area is a nuclear wasteland that no one can survive in.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
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Probably you hit the "Post" button but another post had been made in between so you were asked whether you wanted to revise your post in light of that comment. But if you don't notice it, then you lose your post when you go back to the unread posts.CJM555 wrote:Where is my post?
Either that or the worldwide Zionist conspiracy nixed it.
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