The failed UK welfare state
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Ed, does the Pizza Cruch come with a super sized soda. Did you jog down the road for it, or was it delivered. You pay taxes Ed I guess, how do you feel about your earnings going towards people like the Beers and the couple above at the expense perhaps of genuinely disabled people who need care and didn't have the ability to contribute , but have chosen to abuse the system ? Yes I believe the system is wrong and needs changing.
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Nah, that's just a snack. This is her breakfast, delivered by Meals on Wheels:rl66 wrote:^ I take it that's her breakfast she's about to eat at the table.
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I have some family members who rented out a property in England to a guy who after a couple of months said he could no longer pay the rent and said that seing as he had nowhere to go he would be taking squatters rights. He stayed there for several months after and they couldn't do anything about it. It turns out he had been previously dishonorably discharged from the Navy. Eventually they got him evicted and said couple went to court over it, but they said the judge made them feel like a criminal and in the end they had to pay the costs on bringing it to court and didn't see a penny of the lost rent. I've no doubt that the guy is just doing the same sort of shit somewhere else.
So i always get the impression that it's almost as if crime and cheating pays in the UK. Is it an EU law thing?
But then again if i think that all the banksters are at it, but on a more subtle level, then maybe it's just the way things are going. The same sort of laws that allow banks to give out millions of mortgages to poor people who clearly cannot afford them, possibly runs over to the same sort of laws that allow Wayne & Waynetta to claim 2000 pound benefits for a cleaner? The banks cannot exploit Wayne & Waynetta because they have nothing to offer them.
So i always get the impression that it's almost as if crime and cheating pays in the UK. Is it an EU law thing?
But then again if i think that all the banksters are at it, but on a more subtle level, then maybe it's just the way things are going. The same sort of laws that allow banks to give out millions of mortgages to poor people who clearly cannot afford them, possibly runs over to the same sort of laws that allow Wayne & Waynetta to claim 2000 pound benefits for a cleaner? The banks cannot exploit Wayne & Waynetta because they have nothing to offer them.
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A bit if balance required here. Where are the stories on the bankers and corporates and other well connected criminals who don't pay their share. Only last week we were told that prince Andrew was holidaying somewhere that cost 24,000 quid a week?
Do the readers of the Murdoch rags get to read this and do they care? Do people somehow think that the taxpayer is not forking out for this
Then there is Blair the arms dealer making a fortune in the Middle East peddling weapons to despots. Of course he wouldn't have the Luxembourg bank account. And much more prosaic, Ikea who prefer not to pay any tax in Australia or probably anywhere else.
Do the readers of the Murdoch rags get to read this and do they care? Do people somehow think that the taxpayer is not forking out for this
Then there is Blair the arms dealer making a fortune in the Middle East peddling weapons to despots. Of course he wouldn't have the Luxembourg bank account. And much more prosaic, Ikea who prefer not to pay any tax in Australia or probably anywhere else.
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I'd agree Ken, I think the Tories favour the corporate criminals and Labour put in place a system that gets abused by joe bloggs. I'd also say that perversely thatcher started a culture of self above the wider community. Selling off state assets at undervalued prices was as big a state handout for doing nothing other than fill out an application form ( multiple times often ) as anything at the time. Westminster council houses for votes etc etc.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30856656
Interesting and apt development
If anyone can not view this let me know and I can post the abridged version
Interesting and apt development
If anyone can not view this let me know and I can post the abridged version
Nothing but an opinionated tourist. The Pope spends more time in countries than I do ! It is also not my place to comment on a gentleman's dress. A real 23 minute wonder, that obviously knows little about ovens and cooking in Cambodia.
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The last 3 sentences in the article tend to read like the government is slightly washing it's hands of any responsibility that may have a bearing on corporate business interests. It should be remembered that under successive governments local councils have sold a large number of school playing fields, approved by those governments, to allow for property development.
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That is what it is doing but not washing its hands. It is the belief that the more you devolve down to communities, the more individuals, in those communities will take ownership.rl66 wrote:The last 3 sentences in the article tend to read like the government is slightly washing it's hands of any responsibility that may have a bearing on corporate business interests. It should be remembered that under successive governments local councils have sold a large number of school playing fields, approved by those governments, to allow for property development.
The more you create ownership, the more the individual (voter) will accept and even demand cuts to spending generated by taxpayers revenue.
Cuts with ownership are much easier on the electorate than cuts that are imposed.
Nothing but an opinionated tourist. The Pope spends more time in countries than I do ! It is also not my place to comment on a gentleman's dress. A real 23 minute wonder, that obviously knows little about ovens and cooking in Cambodia.
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The principle sounds good and it's very democratic but you'd expect if people felt they were being empowered voter turnout in local elections would be a lot higher which they've never been. That's also fine if the council agrees with the politics of central government. Have we not come full circle from the activist labour councils of the 80's where the government took back control because it didn't agree with some of the actions and agendas of the extreme lefty councils like Hatton's Liverpool or Red Ken's GLC.EdinWigan wrote:That is what it is doing but not washing its hands. It is the belief that the more you devolve down to communities, the more individuals, in those communities will take ownership.rl66 wrote:The last 3 sentences in the article tend to read like the government is slightly washing it's hands of any responsibility that may have a bearing on corporate business interests. It should be remembered that under successive governments local councils have sold a large number of school playing fields, approved by those governments, to allow for property development.
The more you create ownership, the more the individual (voter) will accept and even demand cuts to spending generated by taxpayers revenue.
Cuts with ownership are much easier on the electorate than cuts that are imposed.
Re the health food issue, Mayor Bloomberg in New York managed to push through a limit on the size of sugary drinks sold in his jurisdiction, I don't think there is any way this UK government would give a local council that power if the electorate demanded that policy at local council level, because it's stepping on the toes of free market capitalism and vested corporate influence at a national level. That's borne out by the government spokesman in the article.
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rl66 wrote:The principle sounds good and it's very democratic but you'd expect if people felt they were being empowered voter turnout in local elections would be a lot higher which they've never been. That's also fine if the council agrees with the politics of central government. Have we not come full circle from the activist labour councils of the 80's where the government took back control because it didn't agree with some of the actions and agendas of the extreme lefty councils like Hatton's Liverpool or Red Ken's GLC.EdinWigan wrote:That is what it is doing but not washing its hands. It is the belief that the more you devolve down to communities, the more individuals, in those communities will take ownership.rl66 wrote:The last 3 sentences in the article tend to read like the government is slightly washing it's hands of any responsibility that may have a bearing on corporate business interests. It should be remembered that under successive governments local councils have sold a large number of school playing fields, approved by those governments, to allow for property development.
The more you create ownership, the more the individual (voter) will accept and even demand cuts to spending generated by taxpayers revenue.
Cuts with ownership are much easier on the electorate than cuts that are imposed.
Re the health food issue, Mayor Bloomberg in New York managed to push through a limit on the size of sugary drinks sold in his jurisdiction, I don't think there is any way this UK government would give a local council that power if the electorate demanded that policy at local council level, because it's stepping on the toes of free market capitalism and vested corporate influence at a national level. That's borne out by the government spokesman in the article.
It, respectfully, is not a case of stepping on toes, it is a case of balancing budgets.
We simply can't afford to current levels of public spending on areas including health.
The large McMultinationals are not even contributing their fair share to teh tax pot, as it is. We may, therefore see a seismic change in Government attitudes in this area.
Research in America has recently discovered a way to turn white fat cells in to brown ones. If this proves correct, will it open the door for all citizens with a BMI of over 25 to be blanket prescribed the new drug, in the same way Satins are now?
Will budgets drive a move towards proactive and not reactive treatments?
This would not be a popular move if teh Government TELLS us but if we take ownership, is it that we will believe we DEMANDED it?
Nothing but an opinionated tourist. The Pope spends more time in countries than I do ! It is also not my place to comment on a gentleman's dress. A real 23 minute wonder, that obviously knows little about ovens and cooking in Cambodia.
You sure do like your grub Lucky.Lucky Lucan wrote:Nah, that's just a snack. This is her breakfast, delivered by Meals on Wheels:rl66 wrote:^ I take it that's her breakfast she's about to eat at the table.
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I agree with you apart from my belief that to balance the budget the government will have to step on a few more corporate toes with as much vigour as it needs to do on imposing social welfare reforms in order that McMultinational contributes its fair share. It shouldn't be a "may see", I think we have to see it as I think the public are also demanding it following the banking debacle. I've noticed that when it gets to the discussion of corporate tax dodgers the govt feels this can only be done by a pan european approach, again abdicating some responsibility for taking the hard measures.EdinWigan wrote:
It, respectfully, is not a case of stepping on toes, it is a case of balancing budgets.
We simply can't afford to current levels of public spending on areas including health.
The large McMultinationals are not even contributing their fair share to teh tax pot, as it is. We may, therefore see a seismic change in Government attitudes in this area.
I was trying to find an article that summarised some of the massive taxpayer negative agreements that HM Revenue has made with big corporates in the last few years to highlight the point and I came across this article which I thought was an interesting read in the context of the thread. Don't agree with it all but some interesting points.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... businesses
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rl66 wrote:I agree with you apart from my belief that to balance the budget the government will have to step on a few more corporate toes with as much vigour as it needs to do on imposing social welfare reforms in order that McMultinational contributes its fair share. It shouldn't be a "may see", I think we have to see it as I think the public are also demanding it following the banking debacle. I've noticed that when it gets to the discussion of corporate tax dodgers the govt feels this can only be done by a pan european approach, again abdicating some responsibility for taking the hard measures.EdinWigan wrote:
It, respectfully, is not a case of stepping on toes, it is a case of balancing budgets.
We simply can't afford to current levels of public spending on areas including health.
The large McMultinationals are not even contributing their fair share to teh tax pot, as it is. We may, therefore see a seismic change in Government attitudes in this area.
I was trying to find an article that summarised some of the massive taxpayer negative agreements that HM Revenue has made with big corporates in the last few years to highlight the point and I came across this article which I thought was an interesting read in the context of the thread. Don't agree with it all but some interesting points.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... businesses
I agree I don't make the case completely, there are gaps but let us also view this as happening in the run up (4 months) to one of the most interesting General Elections for years. An election following 5 years of a coalition Government, that many though would collapse, long ago. A Prime Minister that was only ever intended to be a caretaker and a new player (UKIP)
A Prime Minister that needs to regain voters from Labour and UKIP, maybe more than he needs the likes of Amazon and such. Their time will come in June, when David hopes to have another fixed term (5 years) and be rid of Nick.
Maybe!
Nothing but an opinionated tourist. The Pope spends more time in countries than I do ! It is also not my place to comment on a gentleman's dress. A real 23 minute wonder, that obviously knows little about ovens and cooking in Cambodia.
Loved the illustration from the article
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