Duterte tells Obama to go to hell, will break up with US
I am not defending the many foreign policy mistakes of the US. The topic is PI and Duterte.
Your reply, as civil as it is, reminds me of the deflection tactic of Trump's campaign to the indiscretions of his opponent's spouse.
Your reply, as civil as it is, reminds me of the deflection tactic of Trump's campaign to the indiscretions of his opponent's spouse.
If you don't know where you're going, any road takes you there.
To be fair, their sole carrier was blowing that much black smoke out I wouldn't be surprised if it broke down before it got anywhere near the Med.violet wrote:so, what's Russia up to with it's fleet in the North Sea?
provocation/chest beating?
and how long until China starts calling in all those financial favours across the world?
interesting times indeed....things are gonna change but how soon?
also, would Russia really use its warships against a European country unprovoked and have a good old fashioned invasion? I ask because it always interests me that the UK and others in the area push their pieces onto the board. Is it all necessary or is it just 'what we do'?
Nah, Putin's fantasy is to reassemble the Soviet Union.
The bare-chested horseback riding despot will try to pick off the former territories of that failed state one by one. Everything else is pure bluff directed at his domestic audience.
As Dirty Harry would say, a man has to know his limitations.
Vlad, where are you...your input would be helpful.
PS: I don't know about smoke bellowing Russian carriers. But I do remember the Kursk submarine.
The bare-chested horseback riding despot will try to pick off the former territories of that failed state one by one. Everything else is pure bluff directed at his domestic audience.
As Dirty Harry would say, a man has to know his limitations.
Vlad, where are you...your input would be helpful.
PS: I don't know about smoke bellowing Russian carriers. But I do remember the Kursk submarine.
If you don't know where you're going, any road takes you there.
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At least there are some skeptics in US Policy circles...
Daniel L. Davis is a widely published analyst on national security and foreign policy. He retired as a Lt. Col. after twenty-one years in the U.S. Army, including four combat deployments, and is a Foreign Policy Fellow for Defense Priorities and a member of the Center for Defense Information's Military Advisory Board.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-sk ... ests-16271The Center for a New American Security (CNAS) celebrated the release of a major foreign-policy paper on Monday, entitled “Extending American Power: Strategies to Expand U.S. Engagement in a Competitive World Order.” The paper, authored by a panel whose cochairs were Robert Kagan and James P. Rubin, is designed to “help shape the national conversation on America’s role in the world during the run-up to the presidential election in November 2016.” If the policy recommendations in this twenty-two-page report are followed by the next administration, the result won’t be to extend American power abroad. It would most likely cripple it.
The theme of the policy options and recommendations throughout this paper reflect the ambitions of an imperialist, domineering and expansive global power. The authors can’t, of course, describe their aspirations in those unpalatable terms. America would properly reject them immediately. Instead they seek to embed these concepts in pleasant, noble terms, explaining they seek to promote “the idea that American leadership is critical to preserving and strengthen the bedrock of today’s international order.” This highlights an important point up front. Definitions matter.
For too long now, the adherents of a hawkish school of foreign policy, often referred to as neocons, have repurposed the definition of “leadership” to mean international engagement, enabled by the stationing of combat forces or outright employing lethal military power abroad, to “shape” or coerce foreign governments to comply with American directives. At the same time, they have successfully stained any who advocate for a restrained use of force by deriding them as “neo-isolationists” who “fail to lead.” This militaristic foreign policy advocated by Kagan, Rubin and their coauthors, however, ultimately undercuts American interests and violates traditional American values in four major ways...
Daniel L. Davis is a widely published analyst on national security and foreign policy. He retired as a Lt. Col. after twenty-one years in the U.S. Army, including four combat deployments, and is a Foreign Policy Fellow for Defense Priorities and a member of the Center for Defense Information's Military Advisory Board.
SecState Kerry needs to send a polite diplomatic note to this despot. Something along the lines of "'eff off asshole, you and your shithole country are on your own..."
Philippines' Duterte says didn't really mean 'separation' from U.S.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKCN12L28T
Philippines' Duterte says didn't really mean 'separation' from U.S.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKCN12L28T
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China doesn't have to win an armed conflict to win politically, they know this. All they have to do it cripple ONE fleet, destroy ONE carrier, and the myth of American invincibility melts away. They are setting the chessboard up for that move. BUT, the Japanese made that same mistake with Pearl Harbor...that said, I am not sure our manbun culture, infested with lefty moral relativism, has the BALLS to do what should be done after the next Pearl when our own media, and frankly some citizens, say we "deserved" it.
Maybe I am a product of that era, I was raised by members of the greatest generation, so I see things differently. One thing I do know, if a nuke goes off, and a fleet is fried, anyone that pulls that laughing up your sleeve, smug moral relativistic shit to me is gonna get fucking stomped then and there. Call me what you will, but there are a few that still think western hegemony is superior...not clean, not perfect, not even nice...but I prefer that to the alternative.
Maybe I am a product of that era, I was raised by members of the greatest generation, so I see things differently. One thing I do know, if a nuke goes off, and a fleet is fried, anyone that pulls that laughing up your sleeve, smug moral relativistic shit to me is gonna get fucking stomped then and there. Call me what you will, but there are a few that still think western hegemony is superior...not clean, not perfect, not even nice...but I prefer that to the alternative.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
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I appreciate your views, and won't call you anything.Felgerkarb wrote:China doesn't have to win an armed conflict to win politically, they know this. All they have to do it cripple ONE fleet, destroy ONE carrier, and the myth of American invincibility melts away. They are setting the chessboard up for that move. BUT, the Japanese made that same mistake with Pearl Harbor...that said, I am not sure our manbun culture, infested with lefty moral relativism, has the BALLS to do what should be done after the next Pearl when our own media, and frankly some citizens, say we "deserved" it.
Maybe I am a product of that era, I was raised by members of the greatest generation, so I see things differently. One thing I do know, if a nuke goes off, and a fleet is fried, anyone that pulls that laughing up your sleeve, smug moral relativistic shit to me is gonna get fucking stomped then and there. Call me what you will, but there are a few that still think western hegemony is superior...not clean, not perfect, not even nice...but I prefer that to the alternative.
My late father was a WW2 USN veteran too, but never claimed a greatest generation status. That is a Brokaw invention. Made a nice book title though.
I have a number of relatives and friends in my circle, and their offspring, who wear a (or wore) a uniform. My niece's husband is a CPO, he wears no haircut resembling a man bun, and is as sharp as a knife.
There is no such thing as wiping out USN. Maybe a carrier and it's task force, if the Chinese, Russian, Iranian, DPRK, et al decide that is a cunning plan. But I doubt they would try, they all know the tactical and strategic consequences of that folly. And nothing would, as you put it, melt away.
As far as nukes are concerned, shit, I don't even want to contemplate that, but would be absolutely MAD.
If you don't know where you're going, any road takes you there.
Ww3 will be fought using drones and computer hackers.
Guns, carriers, missiles and shit are just for bluster, show and blowing up brown people.
A model aircraft from maplins, with a bit of tweaking could take out an aircraft carrier, hell even the us navy found out in various exercises that a canoe with an outboard could sink a flagship. Then, if some nerds operating out of a bunker in china with wifi could knock out the eastern seaboard.....
Guns, carriers, missiles and shit are just for bluster, show and blowing up brown people.
A model aircraft from maplins, with a bit of tweaking could take out an aircraft carrier, hell even the us navy found out in various exercises that a canoe with an outboard could sink a flagship. Then, if some nerds operating out of a bunker in china with wifi could knock out the eastern seaboard.....
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Brokaw not my favorite guy, but I liked the term when it was coined, because it fit. Indecently, Brokaw got an award based directly on work I and a team of others did in Cambodia of all places back in 1991.David L wrote:I appreciate your views, and won't call you anything.Felgerkarb wrote:China doesn't have to win an armed conflict to win politically, they know this. All they have to do it cripple ONE fleet, destroy ONE carrier, and the myth of American invincibility melts away. They are setting the chessboard up for that move. BUT, the Japanese made that same mistake with Pearl Harbor...that said, I am not sure our manbun culture, infested with lefty moral relativism, has the BALLS to do what should be done after the next Pearl when our own media, and frankly some citizens, say we "deserved" it.
Maybe I am a product of that era, I was raised by members of the greatest generation, so I see things differently. One thing I do know, if a nuke goes off, and a fleet is fried, anyone that pulls that laughing up your sleeve, smug moral relativistic shit to me is gonna get fucking stomped then and there. Call me what you will, but there are a few that still think western hegemony is superior...not clean, not perfect, not even nice...but I prefer that to the alternative.
My late father was a WW2 USN veteran too, but never claimed a greatest generation status. That is a Brokaw invention. Made a nice book title though.
I have a number of relatives and friends in my circle, and their offspring, who wear a (or wore) a uniform. My niece's husband is a CPO, he wears no haircut resembling a man bun, and is as sharp as a knife.
There is no such thing as wiping out USN. Maybe a carrier and it's task force, if the Chinese, Russian, Iranian, DPRK, et al decide that is a cunning plan. But I doubt they would try, they all know the tactical and strategic consequences of that folly. And nothing would, as you put it, melt away.
As far as nukes are concerned, shit, I don't even want to contemplate that, but would be absolutely MAD.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Isn't it this way of thinking that got the US involved in Vietnam? "The Greatest Generation" of WW2 vets were calling the military shots back then (Kennedy, LBJ, Kissinger). We forgot that hard-learned lesson and went into Iraq in 2003. Both complete disasters that wiped out any illusion of moral high-ground. I'm not one for this "My country, right or wrong", or "Amercia. love it it or leave it" flag-waiving nonsense. Praise the good things the US government does on your behalf, rail against the bad things. That, to me, is patriotic.Felgerkarb wrote: Maybe I am a product of that era, I was raised by members of the greatest generation, so I see things differently. One thing I do know, if a nuke goes off, and a fleet is fried, anyone that pulls that laughing up your sleeve, smug moral relativistic shit to me is gonna get fucking stomped then and there. Call me what you will, but there are a few that still think western hegemony is superior...not clean, not perfect, not even nice...but I prefer that to the alternative.
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Nope.
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LBJ told the Amercian public that the North Vienamese attacked the US fleet, unprovoked, Pearl Harbor-style, in the Gulf of Tonkin, thereby giving the US the moral right and duty to escalate what had been mostly an military advisory role to eventually 500,000+ ground troops in the country.Felgerkarb wrote:Nope.
Few openly dared to question that erroneous premise in August 1964, for fear of being called "weak on defense".
The US also has a military doctrine of "first strike" and unilateral military action to protect our perceived national interests, and we never take the nuclear option "off the table". Why wouldn't the Russians and Chinese have the same doctrine and act accordingly, or is that flawed "moral equivalency" kicking in?
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You are confusing political manipulation for personal intestinal fortitude, the usual attack on what I am saying. I am talking about people stepping up and putting themselves in harms way for a higher ideal.
But anyway, if Pearl Harbor happened today, half the country would blame us, the other almost half would be pissed for a month or two, then get bored when you really have to dig to defeat an enemy....the remaining sliver of the populace would carry the entire load and take care of business, then get disgusted with the others later, especially when called nationalists or flag wavers or whatever the fuck #hashtagmafia has decided to call us this week.
But anyway, if Pearl Harbor happened today, half the country would blame us, the other almost half would be pissed for a month or two, then get bored when you really have to dig to defeat an enemy....the remaining sliver of the populace would carry the entire load and take care of business, then get disgusted with the others later, especially when called nationalists or flag wavers or whatever the fuck #hashtagmafia has decided to call us this week.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Sounds like verbatim statements made by some Trump supportes who vow to take up arms against the US government if Hillary Clinton wins the "rigged election", calling themselves "patriots" for doing what they believe MUST be done for the "good of the country". Scary folks, some of those who proclaim themselves to be the "remaining sliver of the populace who carry the entire load and take care of business".Felgerkarb wrote:....the remaining sliver of the populace would carry the entire load and take care of business, then get disgusted with the others later, especially when called nationalists or flag wavers or whatever the fuck #hashtagmafia has decided to call us this week.
"The final straw actually involved my mortal enemy vladimir, who you may or may not know is an insufferable, overposting asshat."
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