Where did I say that protesting against nazis makes someone leftist? And I said if a dictatorship was going to happen, it'd come from the left not the right. As for what a leftist dictatorship is, try Google.Marmite wrote:Leftist dictatorship my ass. Being vocal against nazis doesn't make you a leftist. It makes you decent and human.Starving Pelican wrote:I don't think these idiots are much of a threat. Most people don't take them seriously. I'd say there's a higher chance of a leftist dictatorship happening in the US. Way more angry lefties than angry righties. For every Jock Jock there are 10 Nirvanas. And the media is on their side. If public opinion turns one way, it'd be left.Hanno wrote:
As a German, that scares the shit out of me...
Where are the signs of this leftist dictatorship? What are their policies and who is going to lead this dictatorship?
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My point though was not about "white cis-male privilege" but about people who are unable to understand that bragging about all the guns you lose count of, asserting that you condone violence, blaming entire religious groups for your problems, shouting out slogans of an ideological regime that made it a policy of systematically exterminating people of certain groups is MORALLY WRONG and just plain ignorant and backward, no matter how hard you had it in life.Alexandra wrote:In their point of view everything they do is for protecting the white race. Violence is justified because they're being exterminated by the aggressors they defend themselves against. For clarity's sake, I don't agree with them.Joon wrote:I like how he's whining at the 1:30 mark, that "every step of the way, (they)'ve tried to do the right thing."
The right thing to do might be to renounce being a gun violence-mongering, Jew-hating, neo-Nazi, White supremacist going around terrorizing people in their churches.
These are people who have been told that they are privileged because of their skin colour. People who have been pushed aside to make room for minorities because whites don't matter so much, they are privileged and they already have everything right? This has been egged on by social justice warriors, the LBGTQ+ community and the black lives matter movement.
When society is ready we can have the discussion about the true meaning of equality. Brushing whites aside because they are "privileged" and belittling people because they are "white cis male" is not it.
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Can't argue with that, on the other hand angry people aren't exactly known for being rational.Joon wrote:just plain ignorant and backward, no matter how hard you had it in life.
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Angry people across the board need to grow the fuck up and mature.Alexandra wrote:Can't argue with that, on the other hand angry people aren't exactly known for being rational.Joon wrote:just plain ignorant and backward, no matter how hard you had it in life.
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Starving Pelican wrote:Marmite wrote:Leftist dictatorship my ass. Being vocal against nazis doesn't make you a leftist. It makes you decent and human.Starving Pelican wrote:I don't think these idiots are much of a threat. Most people don't take them seriously. I'd say there's a higher chance of a leftist dictatorship happening in the US. Way more angry lefties than angry righties. For every Jock Jock there are 10 Nirvanas. And the media is on their side. If public opinion turns one way, it'd be left.Hanno wrote:
As a German, that scares the shit out of me...
Where are the signs of this leftist dictatorship? What are their policies and who is going to lead this dictatorship?
Where did I say that protesting against nazis makes someone leftist? And I said if a dictatorship was going to happen, it'd come from the left not the right. As for what a leftist dictatorship is, try Google.
Translation: I made a ridiculously silly generalisation and can't back my argument.
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Translation: I can't respond, so I'll pretend he made a mess of his arguments.Marmite wrote:Starving Pelican wrote:Marmite wrote:Leftist dictatorship my ass. Being vocal against nazis doesn't make you a leftist. It makes you decent and human.Starving Pelican wrote:I don't think these idiots are much of a threat. Most people don't take them seriously. I'd say there's a higher chance of a leftist dictatorship happening in the US. Way more angry lefties than angry righties. For every Jock Jock there are 10 Nirvanas. And the media is on their side. If public opinion turns one way, it'd be left.Hanno wrote:
As a German, that scares the shit out of me...
Where are the signs of this leftist dictatorship? What are their policies and who is going to lead this dictatorship?
Where did I say that protesting against nazis makes someone leftist? And I said if a dictatorship was going to happen, it'd come from the left not the right. As for what a leftist dictatorship is, try Google.
Translation: I made a ridiculously silly generalisation and can't back my argument.
Alternative translation: I'm known for saying silly shit all the time.
Oh come on. Are you going to explain what you mean by a leftist dictatorship in the context of modern America or not? You can't say google it. I don't want to hear the Google definition; i want to hear what you think it would look like.
State owned means of production? Nationalisation of banks? Suppression of political parties. Nuclear disarmament? A resurgance of trades unionism?
And again, who will lead this dictatorship? You can't have a dictatorship without a dictator.
State owned means of production? Nationalisation of banks? Suppression of political parties. Nuclear disarmament? A resurgance of trades unionism?
And again, who will lead this dictatorship? You can't have a dictatorship without a dictator.
I saw this floating around today, and it reminded me of our discussion earlier in the week Alexandra.Alexandra wrote:Yes. Not because I like to listen to it all but because I know that censorship doesn't work.scobienz wrote:Do you believe all views are ok to express and promote, Alex? That people should be free to say whatever they want, no matter how evil or heinous or inciteful?
Popper articulates it much better than I ever could.
What bullshit logic. Orwell aptly called it doublethink.
"The final straw actually involved my mortal enemy vladimir, who you may or may not know is an insufferable, overposting asshat."
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Don't think I agree with this, for a number of reasons:scobienz wrote:I saw this floating around today, and it reminded me of our discussion earlier in the week Alexandra.Alexandra wrote:Yes. Not because I like to listen to it all but because I know that censorship doesn't work.scobienz wrote:Do you believe all views are ok to express and promote, Alex? That people should be free to say whatever they want, no matter how evil or heinous or inciteful?
Popper articulates it much better than I ever could.
- Tolerating intolerance won't necessarily lead to "the intolerant" taking over. I'm a firm believer in letting people destroy their own reputations by allowing them to say what they like. Does anyone think people listen to those Islamic nutters? Those Neo Nazi nutters? Very few, I suspect.
- Who defines "intolerance", and at what point does it cease to be so? What's allowed and what isn't?
How ironic. I'm supporting the champion of the intellectual right in Karl Popper, and you're supporting the champion of the intellectual left.Edwardo wrote:What bullshit logic. Orwell aptly called it doublethink.
The world has turned upside down.
Starving Pelican wrote: Does anyone think people listen to those Islamic nutters? ?
Recent events in London suggest that emotionally ill-equipped and lost young men do, indeed, list to it. And act on it.
Just as events in Charlottsville suggests exactly the same.
With the same logic, would you refuse refugees from intolerant cultures? For example, would you say no to allowing Muslims move to the UK? Wouldn't it be a paradox to not be tolerant towards those who oppose democracy politically but remain tolerant to those who oppose democracy religiously?scobienz wrote:I saw this floating around today, and it reminded me of our discussion earlier in the week Alexandra.
Popper articulates it much better than I ever could.
If you don't want to take refugees from Muslim countries, you're racist. If you do want them you're importing intolerance. I spy with my eye a logical fallacy in your reasoning.
It defeats the purpose of democracy if not every voice is allowed to be heard.
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