Pressure Ratchets up on Theresa May
Brexit ha ha ha ha ha. The poms who voted for it were ignorant dickheads who fell for the ridiculous propaganda. The poms who live in Europe were not allowed to vote. Not democratic at all.
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Now they are probably going to be facing a Tory party with hardcore leave voters in the cabinet and a British populace in the mood for waving flags on the back of a royal wedding, heat wave and world cup run.
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Hardly. With Johnson and Davies out, the cabinet is more soft Brexit than ever before. The Brexit subcomittee of 11 ministers has lost its two most hardline members, and is now dominated by predominantly those looking for a soft exit, or who are firm remainers ideologically, like Hammond. Gove remains, but he is unlikely to quit. He loves his job too much.
I dont see May being in any great danger at the moment. It's two weeks to recess and that will mean she is safe until the autumn. There is little appetite in the Conservative Party for a leadership challenge, at least not in the short term.
The conventional wisdom here is that May blindsided Johnson, making it impossible for him to not resign, even if it was against his will. I'd be surprised if this wasn't the end of his political career.
The matter is far too complex for a "Yes" or "No" vote in a referendum. It could be argued that only the Remainers knew what they voted for, while "Brexit" can mean pretty much anything or nothing - as we have seen. Nobody knows which "Brexit" the majority of citizens wanted: they weren't asked. The exit proposal put to the vote should have been specific. Add to this that most voters are dumb and cannot even manage their household debt properly.McPhisto wrote:Except Brexit wasn't approved by politicians. It was approved by a majority of citizens in a democratic referendum.logos wrote:Brexit is the most idiotic decision ever taken in British politics.
I really have no other option than laughing off the result of this referendum, and that the "elites" try to nullify or subvert it by any means necessary shouldn't really surprise anyone.
What a load of crap, people knew exactly what they were voting for, they are tired of being ignored as politicians give away control of their country to a nasty foreign dictatorship.Alex wrote:(1) The matter is far too complex for a "Yes" or "No" vote in a referendum.
(2) It could be argued that only the Remainers knew what they voted for,
(3) while "Brexit" can mean pretty much anything or nothing - as we have seen.
(4) Nobody knows which "Brexit" the majority of citizens wanted: they weren't asked.
(5) The exit proposal put to the vote should have been specific.
(6) Add to this that most voters are dumb and cannot even manage their household debt properly.
Brexit was explained to them in the politically biased, anti-Brexit, propoganda leaflet sent to every home, but still the majority of voters wanted Brexit.
And there you go (6), "voters are dumb" and have no money, I guess you buy into the remain fantasy that all the Brexit supporters are old geriatrics who lurch around on zimmer frames and stink of piss as they stumble home from a liquid breakfast at Weatherspoons, all seventeen and a half million of them.
Really Alex, I would have expected something a bit more intelligent from you.
I saw this on twitter the other day. It seemed to sum up the situation well.
"Brexiters are like my dog Stan. He spent 15 years chasing neighbour's cats. One day he cornered one and didn't have a clue what to do next. So he sat down and licked his balls. #BrexitShambles "
This epitomises the resignations of Davies and Johnson. Davies knew it was a load of bollocks and that there was no winning strategy for negotiations. He stuck it out for as long as he could, until May's Chequers solution gave him the perfect opportunity to resign, before it became too obvious. The timing is perfect. He has a reason to save face, and can later claim that he left enough time for Raab to sort it out.
It's accepted wisdom in political circles that Johnson neither wanted Leave to win, nor expected it. He was a fervent europhile, even as late as spring 2016. He backed Brexit not because he believed in it, but because he thought it would lose and that loss would create an irreparable schism in the Tory Party, one he would exploit to become leader and PM. Don't forget - in sprint 2016 he was widely regarded as the most popular politician in the UK. His strategy was stumped when Leave won, leaving him in a kind of limbo land politically. Chequers similarly give him a chance to wash his hands of the whole thing, while sitting back and waiting for the opportunity for Brexit to inevitably fail, so he can launch a leadership campaign. The man is entirely devoid of scruples.
"Brexiters are like my dog Stan. He spent 15 years chasing neighbour's cats. One day he cornered one and didn't have a clue what to do next. So he sat down and licked his balls. #BrexitShambles "
This epitomises the resignations of Davies and Johnson. Davies knew it was a load of bollocks and that there was no winning strategy for negotiations. He stuck it out for as long as he could, until May's Chequers solution gave him the perfect opportunity to resign, before it became too obvious. The timing is perfect. He has a reason to save face, and can later claim that he left enough time for Raab to sort it out.
It's accepted wisdom in political circles that Johnson neither wanted Leave to win, nor expected it. He was a fervent europhile, even as late as spring 2016. He backed Brexit not because he believed in it, but because he thought it would lose and that loss would create an irreparable schism in the Tory Party, one he would exploit to become leader and PM. Don't forget - in sprint 2016 he was widely regarded as the most popular politician in the UK. His strategy was stumped when Leave won, leaving him in a kind of limbo land politically. Chequers similarly give him a chance to wash his hands of the whole thing, while sitting back and waiting for the opportunity for Brexit to inevitably fail, so he can launch a leadership campaign. The man is entirely devoid of scruples.
What a mess the UK is in.
Our politicians handing over control of our country to a bunch of foreign despots.
Far left facist demonstrations planned against the US President when he visits, complete with an offensive Donald Trump blimp flying above London.
Our politicians handing over control of our country to a bunch of foreign despots.
Far left facist demonstrations planned against the US President when he visits, complete with an offensive Donald Trump blimp flying above London.
Citizens are too dumb to have a say in their own lives (except the Remainers, apparently). Fuck this democracy crap. Bring in the all-powerful benevolent dictator selected by the elites and everyone can relax knowing you're in good and capable hands. What could go wrong?
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Greece?McPhisto wrote:Bring in the all-powerful benevolent dictator selected by the elites and everyone can relax knowing you're in good and capable hands. What could go wrong?
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Live - press conference with May and Donald Trump if that's your thing:
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With Brexit the UK is taking back control from those foreign despots. I hope the UK will, post-brexit, nationalize all its assets owned by foreign despots.BillyB wrote:What a mess the UK is in.
Our politicians handing over control of our country to a bunch of foreign despots.
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