Oregon Cannabis report
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Oregon Cannabis report
One grower sold 60 pounds at auction for $6000. Article here. http://www.wweek.com/news/2018/04/18/or ... anted-bud/ I moved to Oregon at the beginning of last year. $50 Oz's are commonplace nowadays. Flower in the $50-80 range are 15-25% thc,slow moving strains that are now over grown such as sour diesel,gorilla glue, etc. On my way here for happy hour. https://www.leafly.com/dispensary-info/ ... dispensary
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From the Leafy site;
DEAL
Valid 12/1/2017 – 1/2/2019
Happy Hour
Every Morning between 10 A.M. to Noon and Evening between 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
We discount Mid-Shelf Strains to 3 $ a Gram, and 10$ for an 1/8th after tax.
DEAL
Valid 12/1/2017 – 1/2/2019
Happy Hour
Every Morning between 10 A.M. to Noon and Evening between 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
We discount Mid-Shelf Strains to 3 $ a Gram, and 10$ for an 1/8th after tax.
Never mind.
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Damn, that's insane. And who was saying in the other thread that legalizing it will cause prices to sky rocket? I mean, it's just a flowering plant, and there's no reason from a farming perspective that it shouldn't be in this price range. They can grow it year round with hydroponics, or in massive fields. The plant itself is rather sturdy - hell, it thrives in swampy areas. I wonder what the tax system is there for it?
No one said the "price of marijuana would skyrocket". Read that other thread again. I argued that the legal pot price will always be higher than the illegal pot price, which is not taxed and not regulated. The drug cartels can lower their prices to suit the demand. Taxes, on the other hand, will only go up for the legal producers. And I argued that even fewer wealthier (ie white) people will get arrested after legalization because they can afford the legal stuff, while poorer people who smoke weed will still be attracted to the cheaper illegal stuff and still face prosecution. No different than tobacco in the US. Many people can afford the $10 per pack heavily taxed Marlboros and do so, but the mafia still make a killing selling illegally sold, non-taxed cigarettes to smokers who want to avoid paying the exorbitant taxes and pay only half the legal price. Tobacco is legal, but there is still a huge demand for the black market ciggies because of the price differential due to taxes.Miguelito wrote:Damn, that's insane. And who was saying in the other thread that legalizing it will cause prices to sky rocket? I mean, it's just a flowering plant, and there's no reason from a farming perspective that it shouldn't be in this price range. They can grow it year round with hydroponics, or in massive fields. The plant itself is rather sturdy - hell, it thrives in swampy areas. I wonder what the tax system is there for it?
Cigarette taxes didn't start out so high either. But politicians saw cigarettes as a huge and easy revenue stream and raised the tax rate again and again and again. I predict this will happen to legal pot too. I don't see why it wouldn't be similar. And thus, the illegal weed isn't going anywhere either. The cartels will, however, dramatically increase the volume of their other drug imports/production to make up for some of their lost weed revenue. A pound of meth is a whole lot more profitable than a pound of grass and all the previous street pot dealers need to sell something to get paid as they will lose a lot of their sales to the dispensaries. But they will resort to selling drugs that carry much higher jail terms now.
The "war on drugs" is here to stay, and so are the racial inequities that it brings, criminal justice-wise.
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Although globally there is certainly a counterfeit tobacco supply and market (thanks North Korea), I would hardly say it's a large problem in the U.S. I have never seen nor heard of anyone buying counterfeit tobacco. Sure, people in New York will stock up when driving through South Carolina, but that's not a black market product.McPhisto wrote:No one said the "price of marijuana would skyrocket". Read that other thread again. I argued that the legal pot price will always be higher than the illegal pot price, which is not taxed and not regulated. The drug cartels can lower their prices to suit the demand. Taxes, on the other hand, will only go up for the legal producers. And I argued that even fewer wealthier (ie white) people will get arrested after legalization because they can afford the legal stuff, while poorer people who smoke weed will still be attracted to the cheaper illegal stuff and still face prosecution. No different than tobacco in the US. Many people can afford the $10 per pack heavily taxed Marlboros and do so, but the mafia still make a killing selling illegally sold, non-taxed cigarettes to smokers who want to avoid paying the exorbitant taxes and pay only half the legal price. Tobacco is legal, but there is still a huge demand for the black market ciggies because of the price differential due to taxes.Miguelito wrote:Damn, that's insane. And who was saying in the other thread that legalizing it will cause prices to sky rocket? I mean, it's just a flowering plant, and there's no reason from a farming perspective that it shouldn't be in this price range. They can grow it year round with hydroponics, or in massive fields. The plant itself is rather sturdy - hell, it thrives in swampy areas. I wonder what the tax system is there for it?
Cigarette taxes didn't start out so high either. But politicians saw cigarettes as a huge and easy revenue stream and raised the tax rate again and again and again. I predict this will happen to legal pot too. I don't see why it wouldn't be similar. And thus, the illegal weed isn't going anywhere either. The cartels will, however, dramatically increase the volume of their other drug imports/production to make up for some of their lost weed revenue. A pound of meth is a whole lot more profitable than a pound of grass and all the previous street pot dealers need to sell something to get paid as they will lose a lot of their sales to the dispensaries. But they will resort to selling drugs that carry much higher jail terms now.
The "war on drugs" is here to stay, and so are the racial inequities that it brings, criminal justice-wise.
I think that saying that "politicians saw cigarettes as a huge and easy revenue stream and raised the tax rate again and again and again" is a gross over simplification of the history of tobacco in the U.S. The most heavily taxed areas for cigarettes are not to make a revenue, but to act as a deterrent helping to curb smoking habits. Could the same thing end up happening with weed? Sure. But the health risks of smoking a pack or two of smokes a day vs a joint a day are very different.
Let's look at alcohol instead - a similar product, heavily regulated and taxed. Yes, people under 21 always find a way to drink (and that law is beyond ridiculous), and bootleg liquor still exists. But in all of the U.S., how much bootleg booze is really still sold? A few rednecks in Kentucky making a few batches of moonshine? That would represent so few people, and such an immeasurably small quantity of product.
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Barely able to fight my way past the cartels lined up outside my favorite legal cannabis retailer. Splurged a bit and picked up Gorilla Grape Live resin. An Indica varitel concentrate which is a bit of a misnomer as it definatly does not help me concentrate. First time I've seen live resin in cartridge form. Very nice, tasty with more terp flavor than your regular bho oil cartridges.
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Retail tax here in Oregon is 20%. A $50 ounce at most retailers is the out the door price. Last time I was in Colorado their tas was the same as here.Miguelito wrote:Damn, that's insane. And who was saying in the other thread that legalizing it will cause prices to sky rocket? I mean, it's just a flowering plant, and there's no reason from a farming perspective that it shouldn't be in this price range. They can grow it year round with hydroponics, or in massive fields. The plant itself is rather sturdy - hell, it thrives in swampy areas. I wonder what the tax system is there for it?
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A good photo of local flower. https://nowthisnews.com/videos/weed/ore ... f-cannabis
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Seems like the stigmatization has levelled lately, with legalization, some folks with regular office jobs have come out as regular users of said herb. Middle aged female entrepreneurs, jet setters with plenty of frequent flier miles under the belly among them, so not just surfers and backpackers anymore. But I don't like the ones who get paranoid and make up stories about others.
Doesn't like wet feet when flowering, got to be free draining.Miguelito wrote:... it thrives in swampy areas.
I wonder what the tax system is there for it?
Meet John Lord, who took $2m cash in his backpack to pay his taxes at the IRS
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WOW ! Thats more than a good photo man,,personally, it's the best thing i've seen on this site. Sonic1.Sonic1 wrote:A good photo of local flower. https://nowthisnews.com/videos/weed/ore ... f-cannabis
Fantastic clip bud.
Counterfeit tobacco? Nobody mention any such thing. I am talking about illegally sold tobacco. And it's a massive revenue stream for criminal gangs.Miguelito wrote:
Although globally there is certainly a counterfeit tobacco supply and market (thanks North Korea), I would hardly say it's a large problem in the U.S. I have never seen nor heard of anyone buying counterfeit tobacco.
https://www.cnbc.com/id/41785506Gangs, Terrorists, Mafia Make Huge Profits Selling...Cigarettes (article form 2011)
There's no better example of the law of unintended consequences than cigarette taxes in the United States.
Each state sets its own rate, and the disparity is huge. Missouri's state cigarette tax is 17 cents. It's $4.35 in New York.
What's the unintended consequence? Crime.
According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the United States loses $5 billion in tax revenue every year from the trafficking of illegal cigarettes. Worldwide, it's a $100 billion problem, and it's the No. 1 economic crime in Europe.
"We haven't outlawed cigarettes yet, but it's taxed to the point where the criminals know they make a lot of money trafficking."
-Special Agent, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Ashan Benedict
"We liken it to the new prohibition era," Special Agent Ashan Benedict told CNBC for the upcoming documentary Cigarette Wars. "We haven't outlawed cigarettes yet, but it's taxed to the point where the criminals know they make a lot of money trafficking."
The crime has several variations, but it's extremely simple. The most common way: Buy cigarettes in a low-tax state and sell them in a high tax state. The tax disparity is straight profit.
Illegal tobacco is tobacco that is illegally sold. You can't say that doesn't count. The higher taxes create the black market demand. Same for pot.
Apples and oranges. You can't realistically compare the hassle and expense of growing, trafficking and selling weed or other illegal drugs with producing, bottling and transporting of bootleg alcohol. A local pot dealer on the street corner can have thousands of dollars of illegal product in his backpack. He can't conceal much illegal moonshine that way, can he? And even if he could, nobody pulls up in their car in a sketchy neighborhood at 2 am to get a shot of whiskey from some dodgy teenage seller, yet they'll take that risk for their pot on a regular basis.Miguelito wrote:Let's look at alcohol instead - a similar product, heavily regulated and taxed.
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Thanks Jep. I was impressed. The Mendo Breath in the 2nd photo is very tasty. Would be nice to have a bong like this one.. https://nowthisnews.com/videos/weed/aut ... sen-burnerJep wrote:WOW ! Thats more than a good photo man,,personally, it's the best thing i've seen on this site. Sonic1.Sonic1 wrote:A good photo of local flower. https://nowthisnews.com/videos/weed/ore ... f-cannabis
Fantastic clip bud.
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I don't get your argument. You can have more value of alcohol in your bag than cigarettes. You could have thousands of dollars of whisky in your bag, but even cheap moonshine would still be hundreds of dollars. And I think more people would buy alcohol from a sketchy seller at 2 am than cigarettes.McPhisto wrote:Apples and oranges. You can't realistically compare the hassle and expense of growing, trafficking and selling weed or other illegal drugs with producing, bottling and transporting of bootleg alcohol. A local pot dealer on the street corner can have thousands of dollars of illegal product in his backpack. He can't conceal much illegal moonshine that way, can he? And even if he could, nobody pulls up in their car in a sketchy neighborhood at 2 am to get a shot of whiskey from some dodgy teenage seller, yet they'll take that risk for their pot on a regular basis.Miguelito wrote:Let's look at alcohol instead - a similar product, heavily regulated and taxed.
They're buying a product in Virginia to sell in New York. Not exactly the baddest ass criminals out there. I will concede that after a few minutes of googling it is a much larger problem than I imagined, you are correct there. But I guess I'm not understanding the overarching argument -- are you saying the government shouldn't legalize something because then they will tax it and thereby create a black market demand on it?McPhisto wrote: The crime has several variations, but it's extremely simple. The most common way: Buy cigarettes in a low-tax state and sell them in a high tax state. The tax disparity is straight profit.
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