Russia and Ukraine
Russia and Ukraine
Things are heating up again beyond the continuing Crimea and western Ukraine annexation conflict. The Russians attacked and seized several Ukrainian navy ships and paraded their captured crews on TV making the predictable forced propaganda statements.
The Ukraininan government responded by declaring marial law and blocking all Russian men from the entering the rest of the Ukraine, as a reported bracing in anticipation of further land invasion by the Russians.
Seems like it wouldn't take much more to push this into a real full-on war between the two (not that it would be much of a contest), as opposed to the dangerous posturing going on the past few years. Putin already knows the divided west is impotent to do anything except verbal condemnations and more (mostly) symbolic sanctions. Europe is far too weak militarily and too dependent on Russian natural gas to do much of anything, especially with winter approaching. The US has no stomach for military conflict with anyone that can actually fight back. Ukraine is Putin's for the taking. Will he take it (i.e. invade and topple the Ukrainian government then install another puppet regime after a shambolic "democratic vote")? Or is this just another show of strength to impress his domestic audience?
The Ukraininan government responded by declaring marial law and blocking all Russian men from the entering the rest of the Ukraine, as a reported bracing in anticipation of further land invasion by the Russians.
Seems like it wouldn't take much more to push this into a real full-on war between the two (not that it would be much of a contest), as opposed to the dangerous posturing going on the past few years. Putin already knows the divided west is impotent to do anything except verbal condemnations and more (mostly) symbolic sanctions. Europe is far too weak militarily and too dependent on Russian natural gas to do much of anything, especially with winter approaching. The US has no stomach for military conflict with anyone that can actually fight back. Ukraine is Putin's for the taking. Will he take it (i.e. invade and topple the Ukrainian government then install another puppet regime after a shambolic "democratic vote")? Or is this just another show of strength to impress his domestic audience?
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Do you mean like Iraq or like Afghanistan?McPhisto wrote: Will he (Putin) take it (i.e. invade and topple the Ukrainian government then install another puppet regime after a shambolic "democratic vote")? Or is this just another show of strength to impress his domestic audience?
Or like (long list)?
ืืจื ืืืืื ืืืคืฆืฆืช ืืืจืืื ืืืจืฉ ืืืืฅ, ืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืืื ืืช ืฉื ืขืืืื ืืืืจืื.
Questioning or criticizing one country's objectionable military actions is not akin to tacit support of another country's objectionable military actions. Bringing up the US, yet again, in this case is pure nonsense deflection.
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Russia needs to liberate Novorussia. There is no negotiating with the west or their Nazi satrapy in the Ukraine. McPhisto and other banderatards will always blame Russia even though the Ukrainians are clearly at fault.
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Agree 100%. Your valid point would have more credibility, though, if you could you show us criticism you have made of the US's actions.McPhisto wrote:Questioning or criticizing one country's objectionable military actions is not akin to tacit support of another country's objectionable military actions. Bringing up the US, yet again, in this case is pure nonsense deflection.
My opinion is that every country, including Russia should mind its own damn business unless its own sovereignty/security is directly threatened, especially by a neighbour. On that particular score, I believe Russia has a slightly better record.
ืืจื ืืืืื ืืืคืฆืฆืช ืืืจืืื ืืืจืฉ ืืืืฅ, ืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืืื ืืช ืฉื ืขืืืื ืืืืจืื.
The Nazi regime in Kiev is a threat to the sovereignty/security of Russia. For military reasons, Russia simply cannot allow Novorossiya to fall into the hands of NATO. NATO has aggressively expanded into the Baltic countries and up to the borders of Russia. The Russians simply cannot tolerate further aggressive expansion.vladimir wrote:Agree 100%. Your valid point would have more credibility, though, if you could you show us criticism you have made of the US's actions.McPhisto wrote:Questioning or criticizing one country's objectionable military actions is not akin to tacit support of another country's objectionable military actions. Bringing up the US, yet again, in this case is pure nonsense deflection.
My opinion is that every country, including Russia should mind its own damn business unless its own sovereignty/security is directly threatened, especially by a neighbour. On that particular score, I believe Russia has a slightly better record.
More so, the Russians have a moral right to reunify with Novorossiya. Most westerners celebrated when western and eastern Germany reunified and many westerners hope for the day when the Koreans will be reunified. For some reason, they find the idea of Russian reunification to be horrifying, since it would supposedly violate the sovereignty of a fake country like the Ukraine which hasn't even existed for thirty years.
Russia has tried "minding their own business" for centuries but the west keeps hassling them. This has been going on since the days of the northern crusades. Guy Mettan wrote a good book on this subject:
https://thesaker.is/guy-mettans-book-on ... in-russia/
I read the English translation and it was a very interesting book that I highly recommend.
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So you fully support Russian military action against Ukraine as a "moral right"...Harold wrote:The Nazi regime in Kiev is a threat to the sovereignty/security of Russia. For military reasons, Russia simply cannot allow Novorossiya to fall into the hands of NATO.
...and yet you don't give a flying fuck about the innocent Ukrainians killed by any Russian military actions, nor do you care about Putin "sacrificing the lives of Russian soldiers" as a result.Harold wrote:He [George H.W. Bush] was an unrepentant warmonger who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Arabs. He presided over the Gulf War and sacrificed the lives of American soldiers to protect the financial interests of Kuwaiti elites.
I feel sad for HW's innumerable Iraqi victims.
Sounds like you are the unrepentant warmonger. Not to mention a complete and utter fucking hypocrite.
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I can not speak for Harold, but I feel because the US is an 'ally' (i5) it is more important to criticise them than the actions of the Russians; hopefully they will have their critics from within their own country.
I don't see how criticising your own govt. is 'war mongering' but as we all know, I'm not that bright.
I don't see how criticising your own govt. is 'war mongering' but as we all know, I'm not that bright.
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I'm really stupid, I think sniping kids is criminal, but hey, I'm from Africa, we're a bit slow there.kinard wrote: I don't see how criticising your own govt. is 'war mongering' but as we all know, I'm not that bright.
ืืจื ืืืืื ืืืคืฆืฆืช ืืืจืืื ืืืจืฉ ืืืืฅ, ืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืืื ืืช ืฉื ืขืืืื ืืืืจืื.
Yes, I've heard but no need to admit that you are 'really stupid'; we all thought it was just a touch of senility
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Yes. A country has the right to take military action when their sovereignty/security is at risk. Russia cannot allow eastern Ukraine to fall into the hands of NATO because NATO could potentially use Novorossiya as a launchpad to invade Russia much as the Germans did in WWII. More so,Novorossiya was part of the Russian Empire for centuries and the people in Luhansk and Donetsk and Crimea are for the most part ethnically Russian and most of them support reunification with Russia. Most of the people living in Novorossiya are horrified by what is going on in Kiev and they are unwilling to submit to Nazi rule.McPhisto wrote:So you fully support Russian military action against Ukraine as a "moral right"...Harold wrote:The Nazi regime in Kiev is a threat to the sovereignty/security of Russia. For military reasons, Russia simply cannot allow Novorossiya to fall into the hands of NATO.
...and yet you don't give a flying fuck about the innocent Ukrainians killed by any Russian military actions, nor do you care about Putin "sacrificing the lives of Russian soldiers" as a result.Harold wrote:He [George H.W. Bush] was an unrepentant warmonger who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Arabs. He presided over the Gulf War and sacrificed the lives of American soldiers to protect the financial interests of Kuwaiti elites.
I feel sad for HW's innumerable Iraqi victims.
Sounds like you are the unrepentant warmonger. Not to mention a complete and utter fucking hypocrite.
When HW started a conflict with Iraq, he did not protect the sovereignty/security of the United States. He protected the sovereignty of Kuwait and the interests of Kuwaiti elites. Putin is actually defending his country.
It is always tragic when there is collateral damage in war which is why it is important to point out that Kiev and banderatards like you who defend the aggressive, Nazi regime have blood on their hands. Many Ukrainians and Russians have needlessly died in this war. It is a shame that Russia was backed into a corner and forced to take drastic measures.
Here is some jaw dropping news that I somehow overlooked and surprisingly nobody else has posted here:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/libr ... tnik02.htm
Ukraine wants Turkey to close the Bosporus Strait. The idea that Turkey would violate the Montreux Convention and risk a confrontation with Russia in order to appease Ukraine is perhaps the most laughable thing I have heard all year.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/libr ... tnik02.htm
Ukraine wants Turkey to close the Bosporus Strait. The idea that Turkey would violate the Montreux Convention and risk a confrontation with Russia in order to appease Ukraine is perhaps the most laughable thing I have heard all year.
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A touch? Jeez, give me some credit, you know I don't do things in half-measureskinard wrote:Yes, I've heard but no need to admit that you are 'really stupid'; we all thought it was just a touch of senility
ืืจื ืืืืื ืืืคืฆืฆืช ืืืจืืื ืืืจืฉ ืืืืฅ, ืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืืื ืืช ืฉื ืขืืืื ืืืืจืื.
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