1st vote received a two thirds majority, slightly different.TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:58 pmSo speaketh the elitists who can only accept their point of view and not the majority. A snapshot at any point in time will show different numbers.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:38 pmHowever, all the “brexits means Brexit” bollocks gets a bit tiresome. Especially when polls put a new vote around 54-46 for remain. One last vote, achievable options seems like the only way out of the rut
I notice that now that it has been proved (by the BBC no less) that it was a straight forward IN/OUT referendum some of the Remoaners have shut up.
This is the second referendum regarding membership of an EU conglomerate so another would be the third. 40 years odd since the first so yes, lets have another referendum in 40 years time. I do not remember the anti EU voters causing so much disruption the first time round. Brexiteers must be a calmer group of people compared with the Remoaners.
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And those who voted against it accepted the decision. They did not talk down the economy or try to cause trouble in any way they could. A majority vote is still a majority vote even if it is only by one vote.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:37 pm1st vote received a two thirds majority, slightly different.
That is democracy which is why those of you who want to overturn a democratic vote are elitists, only interested in your own point of view. You cannot or will not see and accept that the majority have a different point of view.
We have had your point of view for nigh on 40 years so now it's time to go our own way as per the majority who voted for out.
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That's a dumb comment, kind of like how a kid would argue!Aseriousman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:08 pmI'm willing to let it rest at two. Just so long as it's proven to be a fair and above board fight. I'll except the outcome. Will you?
Rhetorical, as you haven't got the balls to even have a second one.
The Brexit party just took the EU parliament by storm. Take heart. Go for it!
This is about democracy, not some childish notion of 'toughness'.
What you are proposing is to have, for the first time in British democratic history, the result of a major vote NOT being implemented before running it again, in an attempt to overturn the first result.
That's a poor precedent to set.
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He has been bitching on about this for months on ToF. He cannot understand that the remain side lost. He even claims that we were never told this was an IN/OUT vote which has been put to bed by your quote from the BBC.Fuzzhead22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:55 pmThat's a dumb comment, kind of like how a kid would argue!Aseriousman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:08 pmI'm willing to let it rest at two. Just so long as it's proven to be a fair and above board fight. I'll except the outcome. Will you?
Rhetorical, as you haven't got the balls to even have a second one.
The Brexit party just took the EU parliament by storm. Take heart. Go for it!
This is about democracy, not some childish notion of 'toughness'.
What you are proposing is to have, for the first time in British democratic history, the result of a major vote NOT being implemented before running it again, in an attempt to overturn the first result.
That's a poor precedent to set.
There is no point even trying to talk sense into an elitist.
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Well I think we have a consensus there.
It may have been IN/OUT but what was the original OUT, and was there consensus on that?
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Read the thread and be educated. It is all in one of the posts. Exactly what had been negotiated and was on the table if we remained and the fact that Cameron stated it was an IN/OUT referendum after he had re negotiated our terms (which was a pretty pathetic deal in any ones language).ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:19 pm
It may have been IN/OUT but what was the original OUT, and was there consensus on that?
No wonder there is dissent. Some people do not even know the facts behind what the argument is all about.
Some people should not have the vote.
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Great, sounds like you have all the answers. I can rest easy tonightTheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:49 pmRead the thread and be educated. It is all in one of the posts. Exactly what had been negotiated and was on the table if we remained and the fact that Cameron stated it was an IN/OUT referendum after he had re negotiated our terms (which was a pretty pathetic deal in any ones language).ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:19 pm
It may have been IN/OUT but what was the original OUT, and was there consensus on that?
I assume the Northern Ireland border will magically be fixed on No-Deal because "it was an In/Out" referendum
Something else we agree onSome people should not have the vote.
So, just so I can be clear, what was the original Out vote for:No wonder there is dissent. Some people do not even know the facts behind what the argument is all about.
WTO terms/Norway/Norway+/Switzerland/Canada Plus/Single market/Mays Deal/Other (please specify)
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You really do not understand the issue or are just being obstreperous.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:25 pm
So, just so I can be clear, what was the original Out vote for:
WTO terms/Norway/Norway+/Switzerland/Canada Plus/Single market/Mays Deal/Other (please specify)
I will make this very clear for you.
The referendum was a simple IN/OUT. Not a Norway/Norway+/Switzerland/Canada Plus/Single market/Mays Deal/Other. These were voiced after the referendum and Gina Nadira Miller, a Guyanese-British business owner and activist forced the issue as to final arbiter through the courts.
As a simple IN/OUT, it was common sense to anyone with half a brain cell that we would then be under WTO rules until such time as we secured alternate deals with the EU.
It really is very straightforward and I cannot for the life of me understand why people cannot see this.
Of course, we have our Aseriousman and his cohorts who do understand but just want to muddy the water because they did not get their own way.
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Cool, so these people were either lying or voting for something they were not campaigning for.TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:37 amYou really do not understand the issue or are just being obstreperous.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:25 pm
So, just so I can be clear, what was the original Out vote for:
WTO terms/Norway/Norway+/Switzerland/Canada Plus/Single market/Mays Deal/Other (please specify)
I will make this very clear for you.
The referendum was a simple IN/OUT. Not a Norway/Norway+/Switzerland/Canada Plus/Single market/Mays Deal/Other. These were voiced after the referendum and Gina Nadira Miller, a Guyanese-British business owner and activist forced the issue as to final arbiter through the courts.
As a simple IN/OUT, it was common sense to anyone with half a brain cell that we would then be under WTO rules until such time as we secured alternate deals with the EU.
It really is very straightforward and I cannot for the life of me understand why people cannot see this.
Of course, we have our Aseriousman and his cohorts who do understand but just want to muddy the water because they did not get their own way.
Maybe that is what you voted for but you cannot claim that is what everyone voted for.
I cannot for the life of me understand that people don't realise the issue has moved on from the vote.
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I must have had a bad day and missed this point of yours while I was explaining the referendum to you. It is the only real point you had so I will answer it now.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:25 pm
I assume the Northern Ireland border will magically be fixed on No-Deal because "it was an In/Out" referendum
The referendum was for IN/OUT. Nothing else.
Thanks to Gina Nadira Miller, the Guyanan businesswoman and activist who forced Westminster to have the final say simply because her hedge funds lost a bundle with the out vote, we spent over a year pontificating about a divorce settlement with the EU.
We could have spent the 2 year period organising a proper no borders arrangement with Ireland but instead the time was wasted yakking to the EU about how much money we would pay them in a negotiated deal. We did not have to pay them a penny more that our legal commitments.
So as you can see, thanks to a remain activist, we have wasted over 2 years of our time when we could be negotiating new trade deals, have a way of no borders with Ireland (which we are happy to do, it's the Irish and the EU who are putting up hurdles) and paying the EU only what we are legally obliged to do instead of funding future projects from which we will not benefit.
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