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Dallow, despite our differences of opinion on this forum, I know you are a decent man of principles and I admire your stance as stated above.
Now, I would like to fulfil my promise to KFF to look at the interesting case of Mrs Thatcher's tenure.
Now, I would like to fulfil my promise to KFF to look at the interesting case of Mrs Thatcher's tenure.
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
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Springrain said:kungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:38 amI can't quite work you out ... I presume you ... despised Thatcher...
Margaret Thatcher is a great example of this & I’ll give more details this evening.[/quote]
Margaret Thatcher is a prime example of just the type the cabal brothers & sisters love to have installed as a puppet. She had the perfect credentials: egomania, a genuine passion for ‘free-market capitalism’ (which is anything but ‘free’), incredible bossiness and and rank arrogance. It was a doddle to get her involved in their work, once she had been initiated into the Bilderberg Group:
Take one Bilderberger’s account of Margaret Thatcher’s appearance at the 1975 gathering, as told to the author Jon Ronson: “David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger fell in love with her. They took her around in limousines, introduced her to everyone.”
Here is a list of just some of the main associates of MT who had close links with the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission and so on (for they are all furniture in the same dolls’ house):
Lord Wakeham, Douglas Hurd, Geoffrey Howe, Lord Armstrong (the cabinet secretary to Margaret Thatcher and friend of Rothschild), John Redwood, Lord Carrington …
Sir Clive Whitmore, former permanent secretary at the Home Office.
Sir Frank Cooper, former permanent secretary at the Ministry of Defence.
Sir John Fairclough, former chief scientific adviser.
William Waldegrave (secretary of state for agriculture)
And, of course, of course, arch-conspirator, Norman Lamont.
One or two were ‘simply’ advisers; Waldegrave was considered a ’wet’, but, as I mentioned in an earlier post, these distractions are often contrived. The worst kind are the shadowy advisers.
I believe she was used.
That will do for now. I’ll lay into the so-called Labour Party tomorrow.
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Margaret Thatcher is a prime example of just the type the cabal brothers & sisters love to have installed as a puppet. She had the perfect credentials: egomania, a genuine passion for ‘free-market capitalism’ (which is anything but ‘free’), incredible bossiness and and rank arrogance. It was a doddle to get her involved in their work, once she had been initiated into the Bilderberg Group:springrain wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:09 pmSpringrain said:kungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:38 amI can't quite work you out ... I presume you ... despised Thatcher...
Margaret Thatcher is a great example of this & I’ll give more details this evening.
Take one Bilderberger’s account of Margaret Thatcher’s appearance at the 1975 gathering, as told to the author Jon Ronson: “David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger fell in love with her. They took her around in limousines, introduced her to everyone.”
Here is a list of just some of the main associates of MT who had close links with the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission and so on (for they are all furniture in the same dolls’ house):
Lord Wakeham, Douglas Hurd, Geoffrey Howe, Lord Armstrong (the cabinet secretary to Margaret Thatcher and friend of Rothschild), John Redwood, Lord Carrington …
Sir Clive Whitmore, former permanent secretary at the Home Office.
Sir Frank Cooper, former permanent secretary at the Ministry of Defence.
Sir John Fairclough, former chief scientific adviser.
William Waldegrave (secretary of state for agriculture)
And, of course, of course, arch-conspirator, Norman Lamont.
One or two were ‘simply’ advisers; Waldegrave was considered a ’wet’, but, as I mentioned in an earlier post, these distractions are often contrived. The worst kind are the shadowy advisers.
I believe she was used.
That will do for now. I’ll lay into the so-called Labour Party tomorrow.
Thanks for the reply Springrain.
I dare say there is a lot of truth in what you say. I have read a few books such as The Bush Family History, and I can certainly see why many people think the way you do. One has to be hyper critical of the content of the so called conspiracy theory books and websites as i think so much of them are a conspiracy in themselves and meant to confuse rather than enlighten. I mean, produced as a countermeasure against the truth. Insider knowledge(leaked documents)and after the fact accounts ( released to public ) are often the best ways most of us have of finding anything out.
I think there has been a concerted effort by interested parties to defame decent investigative journalism by supplying alternative theories to undermine their work.
The book Diary of an Economic Hit Man talks about how wealthy countries use development aid to make money and manipulate poorer countries into weaker negotiating positions so that a military base or political deal can be made once it has brought the country to its knees through debt. This book has been derided by many of the people it criticizes over the years, but the very same people deriding it are suddenly spouting the same 'conspiracy theory' about Chinese methods and ambitions.
There has been a lot of talk about 'fake news' over the past few years. The idea of course comes from state controlled media in countries run by undemocratic tyrants where the truth is censored and a new 'truth' is projected to maintain the control of a corrupt few over its citizens. As an example, look at the news the Chinese government has supplied about Hong Kong to its citizens. The real fake news comes from the sources that are always using it as a soundbite: the governments of corrupt and undemocratic countries or right wing nut jobs who have managed to wangle their way into office. They often use what is termed as 'whataboutism' to reply to any criticism: use the same criticisms against their accusers or point out other rulers/ governments/ countries that are worse than themselves to try to redirect people's attention and muddy the waters around their own crimes against humanity.
I would try to state exact accounts of real events rather than he knows so and so, as proof of their involvement. Conspiracy theory is a subject that gets a certain reaction by people when discussed in general. Mainly because of the lack of critical thinking and discernment displayed by a large proportion of internet users, and governments/bodies trying to muddy the waters by injecting real fake news stories into people's minds as a countermeasure.
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I think most of that is spot on. You're dead right in that much false conspiracy stuff is, indeed, put out deliberately to confuse us - and, to give them more credence when they call us 'conspiracy nuts' and so on.
That's why I always try to cross-refer and check things out for myself. It is tiring work, but will be worth it.
Anyway, if anyone's interested, I've made a quick overview of how 'New Labour' was a work that had been planned for a number of years. It'll be up in a bit.
That's why I always try to cross-refer and check things out for myself. It is tiring work, but will be worth it.
Anyway, if anyone's interested, I've made a quick overview of how 'New Labour' was a work that had been planned for a number of years. It'll be up in a bit.
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
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Let’s not go through the whole history of the party, as it started off innocently enough. Not here, anyway, so a jump forward to the advent of ‘New Labour’ and how it was engineered.
We see classic divide and rule tactics. A need for a need for reform. An angry left was manufactured - it actually had its birth back in the 1960s - but it reached its heyday in the 1980s and the ‘job’ was completed in time to persuade the Labour Party of the necessity to ‘clean up’.
What had been the cause of this necessity? Step forward: Red Robbo, Arthur Scargill, Derek Hatton and other ‘lunatic’ fringe members of a body which had been financed by the mega-rich-behind-the-shadows since its inception as ‘Militant Tendency’. From that moment on, any semblance of representation of the ideals of the grass roots of the pioneering representatives of the working class was doomed.
With the shenanigans of the aforementioned groups, there was manufactured a desire for a new, designer-packaged Labour Party. And who better to oversee that than the Oxford Graduate Tony Blair. He studied ‘Jurisprudence’ at Oxford, but that didn’t stop him being an out-and-out liar!
"Ask me my three main priorities for government, and I tell you: education, education, education.” Speech to party conference, October 1996.
What was one of the first things he did in 1997? He abolished student grants.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/e ... olved.html
We see classic divide and rule tactics. A need for a need for reform. An angry left was manufactured - it actually had its birth back in the 1960s - but it reached its heyday in the 1980s and the ‘job’ was completed in time to persuade the Labour Party of the necessity to ‘clean up’.
What had been the cause of this necessity? Step forward: Red Robbo, Arthur Scargill, Derek Hatton and other ‘lunatic’ fringe members of a body which had been financed by the mega-rich-behind-the-shadows since its inception as ‘Militant Tendency’. From that moment on, any semblance of representation of the ideals of the grass roots of the pioneering representatives of the working class was doomed.
With the shenanigans of the aforementioned groups, there was manufactured a desire for a new, designer-packaged Labour Party. And who better to oversee that than the Oxford Graduate Tony Blair. He studied ‘Jurisprudence’ at Oxford, but that didn’t stop him being an out-and-out liar!
"Ask me my three main priorities for government, and I tell you: education, education, education.” Speech to party conference, October 1996.
What was one of the first things he did in 1997? He abolished student grants.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/e ... olved.html
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
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So are we to believe that the super rich were funding the trade unions and Militant in the 70s and 80s just so that they could install their man Tony B as prime minister 25 odd years later?
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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They didn't install the man. He was voted in as part of a new style Labour Party that turned out to be more conservative than the Tories ever managed to be.
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Despite a week of political chaos that has seen Boris Johnson purge the party of 21 MPs who oppose his plans, the Tories recorded a 10-point lead over Labour. For the first time since March, more than half (53%) of leave voters now intend to vote Conservative. Almost half of all voters (46%) now think the Conservative party has in effect become the Brexit party.
Stage 1 complete
Stage 1 complete
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Start of stage 2
Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union means the EU will “not be legally constituted on 1 November” without a UK commissioner, it says.
Brussels could try to reduce the number of commissioners from 28, one for each state, but the UK would have a veto which it would use unless the EU bent to its will.
No 10 accepts Mr Johnson would be breaking the law if he refused to seek the extension parliament will demand – but believes events will not reach that stage, because the EU would be forced to back down first.
Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union means the EU will “not be legally constituted on 1 November” without a UK commissioner, it says.
Brussels could try to reduce the number of commissioners from 28, one for each state, but the UK would have a veto which it would use unless the EU bent to its will.
No 10 accepts Mr Johnson would be breaking the law if he refused to seek the extension parliament will demand – but believes events will not reach that stage, because the EU would be forced to back down first.
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I think Amber is in agreement with you. It's a shadowy cabal running the country.springrain wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:00 pmI think most of that is spot on. You're dead right in that much false conspiracy stuff is, indeed, put out deliberately to confuse us - and, to give them more credence when they call us 'conspiracy nuts' and so on.
That's why I always try to cross-refer and check things out for myself. It is tiring work, but will be worth it.
Anyway, if anyone's interested, I've made a quick overview of how 'New Labour' was a work that had been planned for a number of years. It'll be up in a bit.
Amber Rudd has claimed it is unclear who is running the country following her shock resignation from the government.
The former work and pensions secretary said she did not think the cabinet was having “proper discussions about policy”.
When asked who was running the country, if not the cabinet, she told The Andrew Marr Show: “If I knew that I would have perhaps had further conversations with the prime minister or them.”
Apparently, taking on the EU by refusing to take office is not the plan. It's now fighting the new law in the courts...
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Would a no deal Brexit pass the Wednesbury unreasonableness test?
"So outrageous in its defiance of logic or accepted moral standards that no sensible person who had applied his mind to the question to be decided could have arrived at it."
"So outrageous in its defiance of logic or accepted moral standards that no sensible person who had applied his mind to the question to be decided could have arrived at it."
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Corbyn,. "Labour will unleash the biggest people-powered campaign ever seen".
Hang on to your pith helmets expats. He wants to offer your house, which you've been making a fortune off, to your tenants at a reduced rate.
Very novel.
The Telegraph are backing him over Johnson as well.
Hang on to your pith helmets expats. He wants to offer your house, which you've been making a fortune off, to your tenants at a reduced rate.
Very novel.
The Telegraph are backing him over Johnson as well.
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The funny thing is the remain voters that voted for him breaking the law. Obviously so they could see him banged up.
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