Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia
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Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia
The hypocrisy over the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia is nauseating.
Currently doing the rounds (running a close second to another sickening topic - the 'war' against Iran) is this piece on Mr Trump:
Yet, the Guardian has been writing on the UK's arms deals to Saudi Arabia, coupled with the (Aye, nauseating again) so-called 'humanitarian aid' to to Yemen for months:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... r-in-yemen
The Bush family has proven ties to the 'House of Saud' going back many years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_ ... se_of_Saud
Who profits from wars? The bankers and the industrialists.
It makes me puke.
Currently doing the rounds (running a close second to another sickening topic - the 'war' against Iran) is this piece on Mr Trump:
Yet, the Guardian has been writing on the UK's arms deals to Saudi Arabia, coupled with the (Aye, nauseating again) so-called 'humanitarian aid' to to Yemen for months:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... r-in-yemen
The Bush family has proven ties to the 'House of Saud' going back many years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_ ... se_of_Saud
Who profits from wars? The bankers and the industrialists.
It makes me puke.
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Don't forget the shareholders, old chap.springrain wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:55 pmWho profits from wars? The bankers and the industrialists
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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An interesting point, my man.slavedog wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 8:07 pmDon't forget the shareholders, old chap.springrain wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:55 pmWho profits from wars? The bankers and the industrialists
Who are they?
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Anyone who owns shares in a listed company such as BAE.
Anyone who has a pension that invests in a listed company such as BAE.
So, quite a few people.
Anyone who has a pension that invests in a listed company such as BAE.
So, quite a few people.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Ah, but it's not quite anyone, is it?
And I would alter 'quite a few' to 'a few'.
The Edmond de Rothschild Group is an international, family-owned and independent financial group, specialised in private banking, asset management, private equity, corporate finance and funds administration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_de ... hild_Group
So, they don't quite have to declare earnings, tax and other 'transparent' erm... transparencies.
And 'independent' from whom?
See my point, mate?
And I would alter 'quite a few' to 'a few'.
The Edmond de Rothschild Group is an international, family-owned and independent financial group, specialised in private banking, asset management, private equity, corporate finance and funds administration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_de ... hild_Group
So, they don't quite have to declare earnings, tax and other 'transparent' erm... transparencies.
And 'independent' from whom?
See my point, mate?
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Trying to but struggling. Lots of people own shares in companies that manufacture defense equipment. Anyone who invests in a pension or fund almost certainly owns shares in such companies, albeit indirectly, as does anyone who buys a house with an endowment mortgage. It's nothing new; ordinary people have been investing in war and making a few quid out of it since the formation of the Bank of England in 1694.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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I don't understand what the big deal is. Arabs were pretty much just a bunch of ignorant desert gypsies till they discovered oil. Saudi Arabia is one of the most backward, messed up countries in the world, I would put it close to Papua New Guinea in how tribal and backward those people are. They have huge resources though and are very much able to export their particular brand of shit abroad. Unfortunately the "War on Terror" has never even attempted to address any of these points.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Yet again the US creates a state of threat and fear, where Iran is portrayed as the uncompromising villain to the region and Saudi buys the arms.
Arms are big business and the US and other power countries sell shitloads, from memory the Saudis bought $600m worth of planes and tanks from the US about 15 years ago.
It could also be a means of wiping some of the debt the US has with Saudi. The US would not give a shit about the Saudis if there was no oil involved..
Arms are big business and the US and other power countries sell shitloads, from memory the Saudis bought $600m worth of planes and tanks from the US about 15 years ago.
It could also be a means of wiping some of the debt the US has with Saudi. The US would not give a shit about the Saudis if there was no oil involved..
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They don't need arms. They need hands.
Do thieves who get their hands chopped off as punishment in ...
www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/4d5uu ... ed_off_as/
I'm a Saudi, the last known amputation was a long time ago. There are no public amputations today . But let's assume it does happen, there's nothing stopping the person of seeking a prosthetic hand, already had the punishment, their slate is clean (just like a person who served his time has given his dues or is done with the sentence).
Do thieves who get their hands chopped off as punishment in ...
www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/4d5uu ... ed_off_as/
I'm a Saudi, the last known amputation was a long time ago. There are no public amputations today . But let's assume it does happen, there's nothing stopping the person of seeking a prosthetic hand, already had the punishment, their slate is clean (just like a person who served his time has given his dues or is done with the sentence).
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But the whole facade of 'lots of people' is another rich man's trick. It is a tiny group who own the real power behind a so-called limited company; that is one of the cons behind Thatcherism, which duped the public into believing that they owned portions of the company they thought they were buying.slavedog wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:00 pmTrying to but struggling. Lots of people own shares in companies that manufacture defense equipment. Anyone who invests in a pension or fund almost certainly owns shares in such companies, albeit indirectly, as does anyone who buys a house with an endowment mortgage. It's nothing new; ordinary people have been investing in war and making a few quid out of it since the formation of the Bank of England in 1694.
Remember how there were various 'limits' imposed on the number of shares an individual could put in a bid for? I'm 60 and I remember well. (The 'fall' of Northern Rock is not unconnected, here.)
The real power brokers own the 'real' shares; the many packets of would-be share owners don't realise that they 'own' a tiny portion of the 'value' of a company. And they have zero rights at an AGM.
Add into the mix the many different types of shares, such as 'preferential shares' and ' ordinary shares' and the scam is complete.
I would now like to address LL's comment: I don't understand what the big deal is.
The big deal is that the so-called democracies are pretending to support the 'war-on-terror', while funding the very same. I find it sickening that both sides are being loaded with aid, while the beneficiaries of all this untold suffering make fat profits.
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Quelle surprise. Dual nationality, yes?
And you whinge constantly about human rights abuses in Cambodia.
The irony.
Have the Saudis bombed any more school buses yet? Murdered any more people in embassies? Whipped women in public for being sexually abused by a stranger?
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
Utter drivel Springers. Millions benefited from the eighties sell-offs and the companies themselves became more efficient so consumers benefited too. There's no 'con', you choose to either buy shares or you don't.springrain wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:53 pmBut the whole facade of 'lots of people' is another rich man's trick. It is a tiny group who own the real power behind a so-called limited company; that is one of the cons behind Thatcherism, which duped the public into believing that they owned portions of the company they thought they were buying.
People are not stupid. They know what they are doing when they buy shares. I personally own a few, I realise that my portion of each company is tiny, but owning a tiny portion of a company with say 50 billion pounds market capitalisation is fine by me. I have no interest in attending AGMs.springrain wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:53 pmThe real power brokers own the 'real' shares; the many packets of would-be share owners don't realise that they 'own' a tiny portion of the 'value' of a company. And they have zero rights at an AGM.
It sure beats leaving it in a savings account at one or two percent.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
Saudi, huh. Isn't the amputation of the hand they eat with, a lifelong sign to others that you are a thieving toerag? Can not see how their 'slate' can ever be clean.Aseriousman wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 5:34 amThey don't need arms. They need hands.
Do thieves who get their hands chopped off as punishment in ...
www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/4d5uu ... ed_off_as/
I'm a Saudi, the last known amputation was a long time ago. There are no public amputations today . But let's assume it does happen, there's nothing stopping the person of seeking a prosthetic hand, already had the punishment, their slate is clean (just like a person who served his time has given his dues or is done with the sentence).
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I'm afraid it's not 'Utter drivel' . It is a scam.slavedog wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 12:16 pmUtter drivel Springers. Millions benefited from the eighties sell-offs and the companies themselves became more efficient so consumers benefited too. There's no 'con', you choose to either buy shares or you don't.springrain wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:53 pmBut the whole facade of 'lots of people' is another rich man's trick. It is a tiny group who own the real power behind a so-called limited company; that is one of the cons behind Thatcherism, which duped the public into believing that they owned portions of the company they thought they were buying.
People are not stupid. They know what they are doing when they buy shares. I personally own a few, I realise that my portion of each company is tiny, but owning a tiny portion of a company with say 50 billion pounds market capitalisation is fine by me. I have no interest in attending AGMs.springrain wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:53 pmThe real power brokers own the 'real' shares; the many packets of would-be share owners don't realise that they 'own' a tiny portion of the 'value' of a company. And they have zero rights at an AGM.
It sure beats leaving it in a savings account at one or two percent.
About 10 years ago, I began to investigate what happened after the early Thatcherite zeal took effect. I was sceptical when I began my inquiries, but I was prepared to be convinced that privatisation in these half-dozen cases had been a success. I learned that it has not. Privatisation failed to turn Britain into a nation of small shareholders. Before Thatcher came to power, almost 40% of the shares in British companies were held by individuals. By 1981, it was less than 30%. By the time she died in 2013, it had slumped to under 12%. What is significant about this is not only that Thatcher and her chancellor Nigel Lawson's vision of a shareholding democracy failed to come to pass through privatisation, but that it undermines the justification for the way the companies were taken out of public ownership.
The source:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ation-scam
Millions did NOT benefit.
But a FEW did!
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