This. You've got to love TGR's alternative reality.EIKROY wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:34 amYes. Thousands of experts are wrong. but certain Boris lovin tossers are right. I take of my cap to you. We've already spent Billions of pounds on things like non-existent ferries - but carry on, the sand is soft, and deep enough for your head.
Bojo's controllers are not allowing him to do radio & tv interviews. The more he appears. the more people see what a Charlatan he is, how ill-informed, ill prepared, a mere armature. His controllers are very scared that the Brexit con is collapsing.
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I was not referring to your spelling but the placard spelling of the emoji. We all have finger problems with the keyboard at times but there is no excuse for an emoji.
As for the rest of the posts, pretty lame. I just do not understand why people take such delight in wanting a complete cluster fuck of Brexit when they could have easily accepted the initial vote (like I did) and get on with life. It is these Remain morons who are screwing up life at present.
As for expecting any sane or rational vote from Westminster.....dream on.
As usual, I ask the (for Remainsers) unanswerable question. If not Boris and Brexit, then who, what and how? Not some Westminster pipe dream but seriously, who what and how?
And for all of you Accord lovers (that includes me), remember it is Ireland and the EU that will insist on a hard border, not the UK.
"LEO Varadkar conceded that a no-deal Brexit would force Dublin to throw up a hard border in order to protect the European Union"
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I think the obvious solution is a three-option vote (IN, May's Deal, Out No Deal) with AVTheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:10 pm
As usual, I ask the (for Remainsers) unanswerable question. If not Boris and Brexit, then who, what and how? Not some Westminster pipe dream but seriously, who what and how?
I think nearly everyone understands this point. It is also fair enough. We can't agree to terms yet still expect to be able to stroll into Europe?TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:10 pmAnd for all of you Accord lovers (that includes me), remember it is Ireland and the EU that will insist on a hard border, not the UK.
"LEO Varadkar conceded that a no-deal Brexit would force Dublin to throw up a hard border in order to protect the European Union"
There was no hard border in the Withdrawal Agreement.
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In a normal world and with sane people it may work but we are dealing with Westminster MPs here.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:55 pm
I think the obvious solution is a three-option vote (IN, May's Deal, Out No Deal) with AV
They have proven that if they have more than 2 choices, they cannot agree on anything. You will never get a majority vote on it.
As for AV, they would have to have a vote on what type of AV they want and the same SNAFU applies.
This is and will always be the problem, asking MPs to decide when the voting public have already decided. Only a few weeks to the end of recess and the animals return to the jungle to decide on what they do not want but not what they want.
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Exactly, the UK kept reassuring Northern Ireland there would be no hard border following Brexit, which is essentially an untenable position in the case of a no deal. Hence my comment on the previous page:TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:10 pm
And for all of you Accord lovers (that includes me), remember it is Ireland and the EU that will insist on a hard border, not the UK.
"LEO Varadkar conceded that a no-deal Brexit would force Dublin to throw up a hard border in order to protect the European Union"
Paradoxically Boris may be remembered as the Prime Minister responsible for facilitating the reunification of Ireland!
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As long as people like yourself are negative in their approach to an electronic border, it will not work. It requires both sides to want it to work, not just the UK.
As you are so sure it will not work could you explain further? Why will an electronic control of goods and a will from both sides to make it work fail?
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Because the technology doesn't exist and isn't in place. This isn't rocket surgery.TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:34 pmAs long as people like yourself are negative in their approach to an electronic border, it will not work. It requires both sides to want it to work, not just the UK.
As you are so sure it will not work could you explain further? Why will an electronic control of goods and a will from both sides to make it work fail?
You think the problem is that people aren't being positive enough? Are you a simpleton?
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And who are you quoting for proof as the "technology does not exist"?
Norway is not in the EU (although it is in the single market) and its 1,000-mile border with Sweden is the EU's longest land border. Cars go through unmanned border posts equipped with cameras that use an automatic number plate recognition system and a sophisticated computer system allows goods to be declared to customs before they leave warehouses.
At present only lorries are checked but the European Research Group (ERG)has outlined a "unique solution" involving a mix of technology and a simplifying of custom procedures in its report A Better Deal. "No checks at the border" would be needed, Hans Maessen, one of report authors, told BBC News. He said checks could be carried out at warehouses instead.
Yes that was a pro Brexit group but the other negative reports are by Remain groups.
As I said, this need both sides to make it work. It can work but I guess it's easier for Ireland and the EU to put up road blocks and go back to the 70s. After all, the EU cannot be seen to be wrong or working with the UK to make it a success. The EU have a vested interest in making Brexit fail.
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Yet this is a slide of the”challenges” with Sajid Javid’s technology based Irish border
They even mention that the government has a terrible track record with big tech projects.
The Sweden Norway border may be without checkpoints but you still have to check in at the customs office which can take over an hour. And they have had issues with third party sourced goods crossing the borders previously.
There is no easy solution, and it’s impossible without collaboration from all stakeholders
They even mention that the government has a terrible track record with big tech projects.
The Sweden Norway border may be without checkpoints but you still have to check in at the customs office which can take over an hour. And they have had issues with third party sourced goods crossing the borders previously.
There is no easy solution, and it’s impossible without collaboration from all stakeholders
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Which is what I have constantly stated.It need all sides and then it can work.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:51 pmThere is no easy solution, and it’s impossible without collaboration from all stakeholders
Watching Euronews today, that Junkers disaster. He was reiterating that the UK must not benefit from Brexit as it sends all of the wrong messages to other countries.
This is where the problem lays. With the EU gangsters who are holding other EU countries as hostages while trying to beat to death the one country that has the guts to face up to them.
Economically and politically, the EU should have worked hard with the UK to sort out a win win scenario rather than a punish and send to hell policy. That's the trouble with bureaucrats who have grand social ideas on how the EU should develop and could care one bit how member countries people feel about it.
I was being selfish when I voted remain. Financially I would be better off but I certainly will not crash and burn with a hard Brexit. I will be proud to be an independent Brit if we come out but still think we will stay and that will be worse than leaving with a no deal. The country will be even more pslit over the fact that democracy will have been ignored and minority given it's way simply because MPs refused to listen to the public vote.
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It's all going to be fine, because mumble mumble technology.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:51 pmYet this is a slide of the”challenges” with Sajid Javid’s technology based Irish border
They even mention that the government has a terrible track record with big tech projects.
The Sweden Norway border may be without checkpoints but you still have to check in at the customs office which can take over an hour. And they have had issues with third party sourced goods crossing the borders previously.
There is no easy solution, and it’s impossible without collaboration from all stakeholders
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So that I/we can read the full story, can you post the link to the source? Thanks.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:51 pmYet this is a slide of the”challenges” with Sajid Javid’s technology based Irish border
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No, I’ve never been able to find the original source.TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:38 amSo that I/we can read the full story, can you post the link to the source? Thanks.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:51 pmYet this is a slide of the”challenges” with Sajid Javid’s technology based Irish border
It is in more detail here though (long thread);
Plenty of articles discussing the plan, the telegraph being the most detailed (paywall)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -backstop/
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Liar. You are a leave voter 100%. 52%? That margin is dead already. Young people don't want to be some shitty sub state of Amerikkka.TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:35 pmReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:51 pmThere is no easy solution, and it’s impossible without collaboration from all stakeholders
I was being selfish when I voted remain. Financially I would be better off but I certainly will not crash and burn with a hard Brexit. I will be proud to be an independent Brit if we come out but still think we will stay and that will be worse than leaving with a no deal. The country will be even more pslit over the fact that democracy will have been ignored and minority given it's way simply because MPs refused to listen to the public vote.
There is no exit, it's a unicorn. It doesn't exist. Just like the technology doesn't exist. That moron Johnson is unable to explain what will happen on the border because the technology doesn't exist so he can't explain it. Vague suggestions about warehousing? Give me a break. The man is too much of a liability to give a live interview and you want him to negotiate Brexit?? LOL. As for the EU, they have already negotiated with the UK for 3+ years. The UK negotiated a deal already. To now say the onus is on the EU to help the incompetent UK government leave is retarded.
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