So you're blaming it on Facebook - and just how many Leave voters (esp. older ones) actually use that anyway?kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:39 am[ And that Facebook has recently been fined $5 billion because of selling its data to Cambridge Analytica who used it to pervert democracy.
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Parliament has already had numerous votes on Brexit and related matters.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:09 am
Also, do you view the government trying to slip pass the checks of Parliament as being Democrat?
Plus the govt has recently said it won't prorogue parliament, or did you miss that bit.
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Ah, so you agree that any attempt to bypass Parliament would be undemocratic. Good. As to believing Johnson on anything he says: the man is a proven inveterate liar.Fuzzhead22 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:09 amParliament has already had numerous votes on Brexit and related matters.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:09 am
Also, do you view the government trying to slip pass the checks of Parliament as being Democrat?
Plus the govt has recently said it won't prorogue parliament, or did you miss that bit.
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You never cease to disappoint. You have no clue what soever about the referendum and as I asked before, if you had taken time to read back through the posts and other referendum threads you would not post such inaccurate drivel.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:13 am
Ah, so you agree that any attempt to bypass Parliament would be undemocratic. Good. As to believing Johnson on anything he says: the man is a proven inveterate liar.
Another one for the ignore list.
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KFF: Running the clock down until Britain slides out with 'no-deal' is not bypassing Parliament.
Surely it's implementing what parliament made law following the referendum.Fuzzhead22 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:15 pmKFF: Running the clock down until Britain slides out with 'no-deal' is not bypassing Parliament.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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498 for triggering article 50 to 114 against. so, 498 dumbasses ( including the few that will actually benefit) to 89 smart politicians. I think history has proved that point.slavedog wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:40 pmSurely it's implementing what parliament made law following the referendum.Fuzzhead22 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:15 pmKFF: Running the clock down until Britain slides out with 'no-deal' is not bypassing Parliament.
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Let's look at zero hour contracts, the UK, the EU and a bit of history.
Zero hours contracts: is the UK "the odd one out"?
Published: 26th Jul 2016
Around a dozen other European countries have banned zero hours contracts.
Conclusion
Not all have an explicit ban, but it’s correct that most EU countries outlaw these contracts, heavily restrict them, or don’t see them widely used. The UK is one of around half a dozen European countries where zero hours contracts are both legal and fairly common.
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History repeating: zero-hours contracts and the strike of 1889
As low-paid workers become increasingly unprotected, the working conditions of the 20th century could become a mere historical blip.
Robert Greer
17 June 2015
By 1888, working conditions in the London docks were at crisis point. A new dock had been opened eastward down the Thames at Tilbury in Essex, and those in charge of the new dock began a rate war against the St Katherine, East and West India docks in an attempt to lure business away. It was the turning of the tide for London as an industrial port city, and the beginning of the slow death of the London docks leading to their final closure in the 1960s.
The effect of the shortage of work this caused draws an interesting parallel with events in present day Britain.
Competition for work in the docks became rife, and an abundance of labourers in an environment with little work led to a great deal of manipulation by those that employed people to unload and transport cargo.
Work was allocated by a system of “call-ons”, where many hundreds of men were herded into wooden pulpits to wait for 20-30 tickets. Only those with tickets were allowed entrance to the docks to work, and this work could be for an hour or a day.
The hourly wage plummeted, and the uncertainty of work was such that while a docker in 1872 took home an average of 24S, his counterpart in 1888 averaged just 7S.
These conditions led to extreme poverty and deprivation in the already slum- and hunger-ridden East End, and resulted in the great strike of 1889, during which newly formed unions successfully fought for stable working agreements and better pay.
Ben Tillett, one of the dockworkers who led the strike, later wrote about the atmosphere in the pulpits when waiting for the bi-daily call-ons. “Coats, flesh and even ears were torn off. The strong literally threw themselves over the heads of their fellows and battled… through the kicking, punching, cursing crowds to the rails of the “cage” which held them like rats – mad human rats who saw food in the ticket.”
In short, uncertainty and poverty caused people to turn against one another.
A familiar situation
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Don't worry, breaking away from the EU and tying a tighter knot with our colonial cousins and China will save us...
Zero hours contracts: is the UK "the odd one out"?
Published: 26th Jul 2016
Around a dozen other European countries have banned zero hours contracts.
Conclusion
Not all have an explicit ban, but it’s correct that most EU countries outlaw these contracts, heavily restrict them, or don’t see them widely used. The UK is one of around half a dozen European countries where zero hours contracts are both legal and fairly common.
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History repeating: zero-hours contracts and the strike of 1889
As low-paid workers become increasingly unprotected, the working conditions of the 20th century could become a mere historical blip.
Robert Greer
17 June 2015
By 1888, working conditions in the London docks were at crisis point. A new dock had been opened eastward down the Thames at Tilbury in Essex, and those in charge of the new dock began a rate war against the St Katherine, East and West India docks in an attempt to lure business away. It was the turning of the tide for London as an industrial port city, and the beginning of the slow death of the London docks leading to their final closure in the 1960s.
The effect of the shortage of work this caused draws an interesting parallel with events in present day Britain.
Competition for work in the docks became rife, and an abundance of labourers in an environment with little work led to a great deal of manipulation by those that employed people to unload and transport cargo.
Work was allocated by a system of “call-ons”, where many hundreds of men were herded into wooden pulpits to wait for 20-30 tickets. Only those with tickets were allowed entrance to the docks to work, and this work could be for an hour or a day.
The hourly wage plummeted, and the uncertainty of work was such that while a docker in 1872 took home an average of 24S, his counterpart in 1888 averaged just 7S.
These conditions led to extreme poverty and deprivation in the already slum- and hunger-ridden East End, and resulted in the great strike of 1889, during which newly formed unions successfully fought for stable working agreements and better pay.
Ben Tillett, one of the dockworkers who led the strike, later wrote about the atmosphere in the pulpits when waiting for the bi-daily call-ons. “Coats, flesh and even ears were torn off. The strong literally threw themselves over the heads of their fellows and battled… through the kicking, punching, cursing crowds to the rails of the “cage” which held them like rats – mad human rats who saw food in the ticket.”
In short, uncertainty and poverty caused people to turn against one another.
A familiar situation
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Don't worry, breaking away from the EU and tying a tighter knot with our colonial cousins and China will save us...
Up the workers!
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yep for sure, that's exactly what it isslavedog wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:40 pmSurely it's implementing what parliament made law following the referendum.Fuzzhead22 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:15 pmKFF: Running the clock down until Britain slides out with 'no-deal' is not bypassing Parliament.
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arrogant, much?kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:52 pm[
498 for triggering article 50 to 114 against. so, 498 dumbasses ( including the few that will actually benefit) to 89 smart politicians. I think history has proved that point.
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It's the liberal policy of allowing mass uncontrolled EU immigration to the UK that has allowed zero hrs contracts to flourishkungfufighter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:51 amLet's look at zero hour contracts, the UK, the EU and a bit of history.
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it doesn't really surprise me that you parsed that into an anti immigrant framework.Fuzzhead22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:34 pmIt's the liberal policy of allowing mass uncontrolled EU immigration to the UK that has allowed zero hrs contracts to flourishkungfufighter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:51 amLet's look at zero hour contracts, the UK, the EU and a bit of history.
And so much for Johnson and team toff not proroguing Parliament.
Boris Johnson has asked the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, whether parliament can be shut down for five weeks from 9 September in what appears to be a concerted plan to stop MPs forcing a further extension to Brexit, according to leaked government correspondence.
An email from senior government advisers to an adviser in No 10 – written within the last 10 days and seen by the Observer – makes clear that the prime minister has recently requested guidance on the legality of such a move, known as prorogation. The initial legal guidance given in the email is that shutting parliament may well be possible, unless action being taken in the courts to block such a move by anti-Brexit campaigners succeeds in the meantime.
So as he was saying he wouldn't, he was actually seeking to do the opposite. What a surprise!
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I didn't include any paragraphs from the document as my post was already very long and most people scroll past - as I do with most of your long, uninteresting posts. Plus, anyone interested would have clicked on the link. 9 pages is hardly a "lengthy document."kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:58 amIt would be nice for us readers if you posted the paragraphs from that lengthy document for debate. Rather then just posting
"They propose nothing short of tyranny".Then going on about some rubbish or other about Brussels and Belgium.
You could also answer my own question about whether you consider the PM and his elite crew bypassing Parliament as democratic.
Regarding your question, I think considering the overwhelming majority of the House of Lords and the House of Commons is opposed to Brexit, including some MoP's who are going against their constituency, the debate has well and truly moved beyond the framework of democratic or not.
I don't find any of your arguments persuasive and suggest you google "Why cornflakes were invented" then have a bowl.
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Um, OK. I just thought you had a particular point to make and posted the article to back it up. An example from it would have been nice.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:37 pmI didn't include any paragraphs from the document as my post was already very long and most people scroll past - as I do with most of your long, uninteresting posts. Plus, anyone interested would have clicked on the link. 9 pages is hardly a "lengthy document."kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:58 amIt would be nice for us readers if you posted the paragraphs from that lengthy document for debate. Rather then just posting
"They propose nothing short of tyranny".Then going on about some rubbish or other about Brussels and Belgium.
You could also answer my own question about whether you consider the PM and his elite crew bypassing Parliament as democratic.
Regarding your question, I think considering the overwhelming majority of the House of Lords and the House of Commons is opposed to Brexit, including some MoP's who are going against their constituency, the debate has well and truly moved beyond the framework of democratic or not.
I don't find any of your arguments persuasive and suggest you google "Why cornflakes were invented" then have a bowl.
My point about whether it is democratic or not, was simply that ever since the thread started, pro brexiters have been screaming about democracy.
Yes, I have read it all.
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