The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing School

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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby vladimir » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:59 pm

kinglear#1 wrote:Will admit to simplistic thinking last night. It just bothers me that:

"US campus shootings

February 2010: A professor at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, Amy Bishop, opens fire at a faculty meeting, killing three colleagues and wounding three others

February 2008: Former graduate student Steven Kazmierczak kills five students, wounds 16 at Northern Illinois University and kills himself

April 2007: Seung-Hui Cho kills more than 30 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech, before turning the gun on himself

April 1999: Two students kill 12 others and a teacher and wound more than 20 before killing themselves at Columbine High School"

are followed up by the recent shootings. Yet gun debates in the US always get dominated by bleats about the right to be able to have one. It's true that in most (if not all) cases, the perpetrators were disturbed in some way. But still, these tragedies could have been averted if gun laws were much tougher.


KL, you're asking an American to see a pattern in something that gives enormous amounts of money to private companies who finance elections. Are you naive?
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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby ken svay » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:19 pm

Bloody hell,dont start me about gun ownership.
Pretty hard to kill seven people with a knife or any other implement.
As for koreans,I think they have always been on the outer.
Most guards in japanese POW camps were koreans and they were very nasty,this is obviously pre korean war.
As for post korean war,many atrocities in vietnam by ROK soldiers.
Many more than by other allied forces,even americans!
There is something about koreans.
But US gun ownership that causes 50,000 deaths a year-give me strength.Those right wing nutters have a lot to answer for.
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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby Chuangt2u » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:39 pm

Re weapons, intent is the thing that kills.
Any weapon itself is inert without a user - it has no intent of its own. Guns kill, but with the exception of obscure accidents, they can't do that without someone to pull the trigger.

Which leads to... be more careful about who you give guns to.

Simple.
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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby Uncle Monty » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:19 am

When a bunch of thugs shoot other thugs, I have no problem. It takes out the crooks. No laws will stop that.

As for the Oakland shootings, the guy said it was caused by bullying. Be careful who you pick on. He could have used a machete instead.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/04/oakland-college-gunman-sought-revenge-for-teasing.html
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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby vladimir » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:50 pm

Maybe this guy read the Old Testament

Father to son: What are you reading?

Son: A book about murder/rape/lust/robbery/greed/deceit/indoctrination and evil

Father: Put that rubbish away and read something wholesome, like the Bible

Son: This IS the Bible
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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby kinglear#1 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:52 pm

vladimir wrote:Maybe this guy read the Old Testament

Father to son: What are you reading?

Son: A book about murder/rape/lust/robbery/greed/deceit/indoctrination and evil

Father: Put that rubbish away and read something wholesome, like the Bible

Son: This IS the Bible


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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby andyinasia » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:19 pm

What's the view like from America these days. I'd been thinking recently that over the last few years whilst I've been living in Cambodia and have therefore been picking up international news from over here, every time there's a gun massacre in the U.S. the reporting and discussion of the incident in the news seems to get shorter and shorter, as if the U.S. becomes more desensitised every time another one happens.

Then today I came across this perception of American gun culture by a British journalist. He seems to be suggesting that people are barely having the debate over there any more.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/16/americas-deadly-devotion-guns

Any thoughts? I'm in agreement with one comment below - earlier I posted an article by Naomi Woolf under my heading, 'Descent into totalitarianism' about the way America is going. It seems particularly scary to me that people are obsessed with their freedom to bear arms as defence against government abusing its power whilst doing nothing to protest new laws that do exactly that.
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The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing School

Postby jm » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:28 pm

One of the CNN anchors raised that point today, there is no debate over guns. The NRA has won and are viewed as untouchable.
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Re: The Oakland Massacre: Carnage in a Christian Nursing Sch

Postby vladimir » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:10 pm

jm wrote:One of the CNN anchors raised that point today, there is no debate over guns. The NRA has won and are viewed as untouchable.


And if you question the decision, they'll shoot you.

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