Rifles at Royal Palace

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Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby vladimir » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:02 pm

What rifles do the sentries at the Royal Palace shoulder?
Look similar to a Lee Enfield .303 (same-same but different) French origin?
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby doktor_d » Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:45 pm

They've got Chinese type 56 rifles (or possibly Russian SKS rifles) I believe..
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby Lucky Lucan » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:27 pm

doktor_d wrote:They've got Chinese type 56 rifles (or possibly Russian SKS rifles) I believe..


Sounds about right. This guy is more like the usual sangkat cop, but you can see the rifle clearly:

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Here's one with the ceremonial uniform but the gun isn't as clear:

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Here's one with an M16:

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And a bunch of them with ceremonial uniforms and rifles.

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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby doktor_d » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:56 pm

It's a semi-automatic rifle. I'm quite sure the rifle the guards use is either a Russian SKS or Chinese Norinko type-56 carbine. It's still used as a ceremonial arm in several countries today.

Here's a pic of a guard from google. An illustration of a guard in 1980 with the same rifle, and an illustration of a NVA soldier using another version of the same rifle. (Illustrations from different Osprey books)
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Text from NVA illustration:
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Here's a close up:
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From Wikipedia:
The SKS is a Soviet semi-automatic rifle chambered for the 7.62x39mm round, designed in 1943 by Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov. Its complete designation, SKS-45, is an acronym for Samozaryadnyj Karabin sistemy Simonova, 1945 (Russian: Самозарядный карабин системы Симонова, 1945; Self-loading Carbine of (the) Simonov system, 1945), or SKS 45. In the early 1950's, the Soviets took the SKS carbine out of front-line service and replaced it with the AK-47; however, the SKS remained in second-line service for decades. It is still used as a ceremonial arm today. The SKS was widely exported, and was also produced by some former Eastern Bloc nations as well as China, where it was designated the "Type 56", East Germany as the Karabiner S and in North Korea as the "Type 63". The SKS is currently popular on the civilian surplus market in many countries, including the United States. It was one of the first weapons chambered for the 7.62x39mm M43 round, which was also used later in the AK-47.

It's listed under "Infantry weapons" on Wikipedia's "Royal Cambodian Army" page

Soviet Union SKS - Semi-Automatic Carbine - Used by Cambodian Royal Guards. Decommissioned and replaced by QBZ-97B.
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby Lucky Lucan » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:58 pm

You're right, I edited my post before I saw your new one. When I first searched for those models loads of more modern assault rifles came up.

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Simonov Sks

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Chinese type 56

The close up shots look like a slightly different, much shorter model, there isn't such a wide gap between the magazine and the trigger guard.
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby vladimir » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:43 am

Thanks guys, looking at the shorter ones, I see very distinct similarities between them and the AK47, which I assume was a later one?
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby doktor_d » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:57 am

The AK came after the SKS. I think the first SKS was designed in 1943 or 44..
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby giblet » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:58 pm

So...which war are these from, then?
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby Lucky Lucan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:21 pm

vladimir wrote: I see very distinct similarities between them and the AK47, which I assume was a later one?


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So...which war are these from, then?

All of them.
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby ken svay » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:09 pm

AK 47 was post WW2 as I remember but has starred in every war since.
It has to be by far the best all round weapon ever produced.
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby Lucky Lucan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:15 pm

As you could guess from the name, it was first introduced in 1947. However, it seems that because of early manufacturing problems, it wasn't produced in large numbers till 1956.
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby giblet » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:22 pm

Lucky Lucan wrote:As you could guess from the name, it was first introduced in 1947. However, it seems that because of early manufacturing problems, it wasn't produced in large numbers till 1956.


I don't know anything about guns and I always assumed that the AK-47 was newer than that because rappers talk about them and stuff.
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby Lucky Lucan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:52 pm

Actual AK47s use a machined receiver and aren't common. What you see around are usually AKMs or Chinese type 56s which use a stamped steel receiver, and are much lighter.
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby cambod » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:57 pm

Lucky Lucan wrote:As you could guess from the name, it was first introduced in 1947. ...


I never guessed that, actually. Glad I learned something new today!

And the M16? Now that's old!
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Re: Rifles at Royal Palace

Postby Bitteeinbit » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:04 pm

In the drawing above, they show them with bolt-action rifles. Anyone have recent pictures? Do they still have a bolt-action version? I have some at home so I'll check but wondering if anyone has a picture from a different angle.
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