I'm pretty sure that's not what did it.andyinasia wrote:So if I join your Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous group, does that make me a SLAAG?
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This is actually a fairly common question.OrangeDragon wrote:Seriously curious... what do you do for a true Atheist who has no belief in a higher power? Are they just left out of seeking group help for their addiction?
Whether you are an Atheist or religious each individual is free to choose their own concept of a higher power. Now, that is what it is for different people.
There is no deity to be worshipped or anything like that. If an individual chooses their traditional religious conception as a higher power then fine for them - if someone else chooses a tree or a tuk-tuk as theirs then good for them too. Who am I to criticise their choice of something in their head?
In practical terms it doesn't matter.
Essentially the point of the higher power concept is to stop thinking of yourself as the centre of the universe all the time. Which in my experience is not necessarily easy to do and why people have an issue with it.
Personally I know Agnostics, Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus who've found recovery from 12 step programs - it's not reasonable or possible that they are all believing in the same concept of a higher power newly received from their 12 step group. Sure, some may have new ideas, others will keep their old ideas or renewed concepts, but nothing is forced upon anyone whether religious or not.
Basically, if you are an Atheist and happy about it then you are free to be an Atheist - no one is going to try and change your mind.
It is not a barrier to recovery.
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Perhaps I still need to research this topic but maybe people who think chemotherapy is an effective cure for cancer are the cultish ones. The majority is not always right.SLAA_Cambodia wrote:
Calling AA or any other 12 Step program "cult like" is quite a ridiculous ad hominen.
This like saying that because you personally don't believe in chemotherapy as a treatment for cancer then it doesn't, can't or won't work and anyone who has had, or freely chooses to take a course of chemo is a member of some strange belief system...
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What about a Solipsist?
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Are you talking to yourself again?OrangeDragon wrote:What about a Solipsist?
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Can an old dog learn new tricks?OrangeDragon wrote:What about a Solipsist?
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Who? Me.andyinasia wrote:Are you talking to yourself again?OrangeDragon wrote:What about a Solipsist?
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
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An easy enough concept to grasp I would have thought?Essentially the point of the higher power concept is to stop thinking of yourself as the centre of the universe all the time.
As a conversational aside, I googled "imbecile" to confirm my understanding that the word had an emphasis on "naive", "child-like", "simplistic", etc, above merely, um, "obtuse", and I stumbled on the medical definitions for Moron (IQ 51-71), imbecile (IQ 26-50), and Idiot (IQ 0-20).
Understanding what an IQ of 0 even means is beyond my limited intellectual grasp.
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Google what the word Solipsist means next... you'll see they're, by definition, excluded.
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indeed.Orange Dragon wrote:Google what the word Solipsist means next... you'll see they're, by definition, excluded.
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keeping_it_riel wrote:Before we go any further, the OP has made a serious post so if you feel he need to respond, keep your replies serious also. No smart ass stuff or trolling, thanks.
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a) he played back... so i doubt he's too upset about it. it's bumping his thread to the top after all.curious person wrote:keeping_it_riel wrote:Before we go any further, the OP has made a serious post so if you feel he need to respond, keep your replies serious also. No smart ass stuff or trolling, thanks.
b) with enough negativity in here on the subject i felt it could use a little levity. if KIR disagrees he's free to delete it all and go back to people whining,nitpicking, and jumping down the throat of someone trying to be helpful.
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Again, I appreciate that someone took the time to go and visit the website and do some research.FreeSocrates! wrote:http://store.slaafws.org/merchant.mvc?S ... e_Code=SOS
It seems to be some type of giant Sex Shame Ponzi Scheme to me...
It quite patently is not a Ponzi scheme. There are no financial rewards involved - other than maybe getting your life back on track and the benefits that can come from that.
With regards to "sex shame" - that sounds like a self-defined term. The problem arises when behaviour gets out of control for a particular person and things start falling apart in their life. What drives that is difficult to measure - one man's poison is another man's nectar.
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