Assange 'may' walk out the embassy later
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I don't understand the hate for Assange. He's just a good journalist. Why, specifically, do you hate him so?
The irony is that he has effectively been a prisoner in the embassy, the very place he went to avoid becoming a prisoner. If he wrote a book on this experience I would read it, because Id like to know how he kept it 'together' for 6 years; apart from a few hand jobs from Pammy, things must be a bit grim.
Personally, I don't hate the man but feel he's been a bit gutless. If he had handed himself over, he may well be by now a free man with all that shit behind him. Does anyone know what jail time he's facing if the US are successful with their indictment of him?
Personally, I don't hate the man but feel he's been a bit gutless. If he had handed himself over, he may well be by now a free man with all that shit behind him. Does anyone know what jail time he's facing if the US are successful with their indictment of him?
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I'm not a lawyer, but he's probably up for some enhanced interrogation and indefinite detention. I would rather be stuck in an embassy than under the supervision of any American law enforcement because prisoners are routinely beaten or forced to fight other inmates. Bradley Manning was tortured so I think Assange would be too.
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kinard wrote: Does anyone know what jail time he's facing if the US are successful with their indictment of him?
http://johnpilger.com/articles/getting- ... told-storyAccording to Australian diplomatic cables, Washington's bid to get Assange is "unprecedented in scale and nature". In Alexandria, Virginia, a secret grand jury has sought for almost seven years to contrive a crime for which Assange can be prosecuted. This is not easy.
The First Amendment protects publishers, journalists and whistleblowers, whether it is the editor of the New York Times or the editor of WikiLeaks. The very notion of free speech is described as America's " founding virtue" or, as Thomas Jefferson called it, "our currency".
Faced with this hurdle, the US Justice Department has contrived charges of "espionage", "conspiracy to commit espionage", "conversion" (theft of government property), "computer fraud and abuse" (computer hacking) and general "conspiracy". The favoured Espionage Act, which was meant to deter pacifists and conscientious objectors during World War One, has provisions for life imprisonment and the death penalty.
Assange's ability to defend himself in such a Kafkaesque world has been severely limited by the US declaring his case a state secret. In 2015, a federal court in Washington blocked the release of all information about the "national security" investigation against WikiLeaks, because it was "active and ongoing" and would harm the "pending prosecution" of Assange. The judge, Barbara J. Rothstein, said it was necessary to show "appropriate deference to the executive in matters of national security". This is a kangaroo court.
Dood. We're talking one of the most illiberal states on earth when it comes to the penal system, up there with Saudi and Sudan. They'd bury the guy.kinard wrote:Does anyone know what jail time he's facing if the US are successful with their indictment of him?
You have to choose your jail time jurisdiction with great care.
Sure, but Manning took it like a manshehasnoballs wrote:I'm not a lawyer, but he's probably up for some enhanced interrogation and indefinite detention. I would rather be stuck in an embassy than under the supervision of any American law enforcement because prisoners are routinely beaten or forced to fight other inmates. Bradley Manning was tortured so I think Assange would be too.
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Agreed. All respect to Manning.kinard wrote:Sure, but Manning took it like a manshehasnoballs wrote:I'm not a lawyer, but he's probably up for some enhanced interrogation and indefinite detention. I would rather be stuck in an embassy than under the supervision of any American law enforcement because prisoners are routinely beaten or forced to fight other inmates. Bradley Manning was tortured so I think Assange would be too.
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IDK I think "took it like a man" is a toxic masculine mindset. No one should be subjected to torture for revealing truth. That's primitive in a bad way.
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I agree to a large extent.shehasnoballs wrote:IDK I think "took it like a man" is a toxic masculine mindset. No one should be subjected to torture for revealing truth.
I am able to divorce the language/words used from the message intended. Agreed with the message... Manning took it (like a man or otherwise), while Assange avoids in the embassy.
However, having said that, perhaps Assange is more aware of the fate awaiting him than Manning was.
In general I agree people shouldn't be tortured for telling the truth. There are some scenarios where it's not so black and white, and Assange divides opinion as to whether what he did really endangered people or not.
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Would it be less of a 'toxic masculine mindset' if I had put, 'she took it like a man?'shehasnoballs wrote:IDK I think "took it like a man" is a toxic masculine mindset. No one should be subjected to torture for revealing truth. That's primitive in a bad way.
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No, I don't think much of gender issues. Getting captured by cops isn't always courageous it's sometimes just unfair or stupid.
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A look at Assange's living conditions and behavior in this Buzzfeed article. https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/mr-white-and-mr-blue
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Manning and Assange are two completely different cases. We can, and I will later, debate the merits of Assange’s issues (which aren’t U.S. based)... but Manning’s case was blatantly irresponsible and illegal in so many ways. He (she) has gotten off too easy.violet wrote:I agree to a large extent.shehasnoballs wrote:IDK I think "took it like a man" is a toxic masculine mindset. No one should be subjected to torture for revealing truth.
I am able to divorce the language/words used from the message intended. Agreed with the message... Manning took it (like a man or otherwise), while Assange avoids in the embassy.
However, having said that, perhaps Assange is more aware of the fate awaiting him than Manning was.
In general I agree people shouldn't be tortured for telling the truth. There are some scenarios where it's not so black and white, and Assange divides opinion as to whether what he did really endangered people or not.
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