Inside goss; US embassy PP 1952-2000
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Inside goss; US embassy PP 1952-2000
Following link is to oral and written recollections from high ranking State dpt personnel based in Cambodia 1952 -2000.
445 fascinating pages.
Not hard history, even rarer - in depth personal observations, reflections and analysis by the blokes doing the US biz.
Some sections better than others. My personal fave,
Richard Howland 1960 -64, Rotation Officer (wink wink) Pg 52-111
(a/ because has fab Koh Kong coastal recon. pg 99 - 110
b/ he is a v good analyst generally, wide scope.)
https://adst.org/wp-content/uploads/201 ... mbodia.pdf
Enjoy, fellow history buffs.
445 fascinating pages.
Not hard history, even rarer - in depth personal observations, reflections and analysis by the blokes doing the US biz.
Some sections better than others. My personal fave,
Richard Howland 1960 -64, Rotation Officer (wink wink) Pg 52-111
(a/ because has fab Koh Kong coastal recon. pg 99 - 110
b/ he is a v good analyst generally, wide scope.)
https://adst.org/wp-content/uploads/201 ... mbodia.pdf
Enjoy, fellow history buffs.
...then he smiled again, and slipped away, further on up the stream
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It worked for me a few hours after it was posted.I just finished it a few minutes ago.
Some good tidbits of information.Maybe too slow for some people.
Some good tidbits of information.Maybe too slow for some people.
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Link worked for me, thanks.
Kenton Clymer worked for the US Embassy here and wrote some interesting books on the topic:
The United States and Cambodia, 1870-1969: From Curiosity to Confrontation
and The United States and Cambodia, 1969-2000: A Troubled Relationship
I've got them on PDF if anyone is interested.
Kenton Clymer worked for the US Embassy here and wrote some interesting books on the topic:
The United States and Cambodia, 1870-1969: From Curiosity to Confrontation
and The United States and Cambodia, 1969-2000: A Troubled Relationship
I've got them on PDF if anyone is interested.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Can you wack them over to me uncle Lucan?
pew, pew, pew, pew!
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Done, check your PM.
HairyNosedOtter, thanks again for that, fascinating stuff - especially the Richard Howland part you highlighted.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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Thanks KC Lucan, good to hear that at least a few people are interested. I seem to be getting a bit better at finding my way to the kind of docs that I want.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:39 pmDone, check your PM.
HairyNosedOtter, thanks again for that, fascinating stuff - especially the Richard Howland part you highlighted.
Congrats HHF for reading and finishing it. You are right, it is slow. Thing to remember with these State guys - all their natural inclination, training and lifetime practice means that they do most of their talkin' between the lines. So that is where the we gotta read them.
I will post the next doc from what I am currently exploring in a couple days. It is quite the opposite, all non-stop action. "Inside the US military effort, Cambodia 1970-75." (my sub-tittle)
Also maybe some random grabs of high level US Intell stuff from that period.
I am trying to get right into the minds of all the players as this period of Cambodia's history unfolds. And of course to gather as much detailed info of how it played out on ground. Best... H-n.
...then he smiled again, and slipped away, further on up the stream
Read some and saved it, interesting. Good post
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I don't think I've time to read all that. Perhaps someone could pick out the highlights and compile a more digestible abridged version?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Bopha Devi was very beautiful and a wonderful dancer but a bit oversexed.
Nevertheless she was the favorite of Queen Kossamak, Sihanouk’s mother, who was the patron of the Corps de Ballet at the Palace. The Prince had her lined up to marry some relative from the nobility; a Sisowath several times removed. Everyone was invited from all over Southeast Asia.
But the night before the wedding she ran off with the Chief of the Palace Guards. They fled to France and Sihanouk formally disowned her, she had humiliated him so badly. Well. a year or so later she came back to Cambodia, short of money. Sihanouk refused to see her and even Kossamak could not
reconcile them. So she announced she was going to work as a bargirl at the Mekong Bar, which
was on a boat in the river. With that, Sihanouk agreed to let her back into the Palace. But she
knew she had him then. She stayed at the bar until one night he went there and asked her
personally to come back. Within a few weeks she was back in the Corps de Ballet as if nothing
had happened. That is the real Cambodia, you know? The all-powerful Prince knuckling under to
the daughter who had humiliated him.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
A great excerpt, Lucan. There must be a moral to this story; perhaps, 'beware of dancers with a royal connection named Devi'....?
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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There is actually a little more to the 'fleeing to France' part of that story - which directly connects to Slavedog's observations, a multi generational link ...
Will fill you both in over beers sometime
Will fill you both in over beers sometime
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I don't think the story is very accurate, Bopha Devi was first married before that guy arrived and married three more times, to members of the royal family.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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