Fuck off you piece of shit - whenever someone starts to want to debate age of consent, we know where you are coming fromLonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 amFor those who accused me for not showing enough sympathy for these girls, let me explain why. If I feel that they are truly an innocent honest victim, I’d 100% support them. But I don’t even feel like they are even trust-worthy, leave alone being an innocent victim.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
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Thanks to the internet! Do some more research and try to be more objective rather than pre-assuming.gavinmac wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:04 amHow would friends of his in Florida know if the girls were all related? That's something someone based in Siem Reap familiar with underage prostitutes there would know.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 am
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
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Whenever I found someone who can not handle a debate in an appropriate manner; fail to look at things from different perspectives; get angry and curse becuz he can’t produce a valid and reasonable arguments, I know where that person comes from too! Hey youchubacca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:15 amFuck off you piece of shit - whenever someone starts to want to debate age of consent, we know where you are coming fromLonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 amFor those who accused me for not showing enough sympathy for these girls, let me explain why. If I feel that they are truly an innocent honest victim, I’d 100% support them. But I don’t even feel like they are even trust-worthy, leave alone being an innocent victim.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
Wait, I thought you like barely knew him eight fucking years ago:Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 am
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
What’s your music group? Let me guess, it’s middle aged men only, and you specialize in youth choirs?Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:31 am
Finally; I don’t know him very well; but I knew him from the Occupy Tampa protest a few years ago. He has offered free legal assistant to the protesters despite being threatened about his career by the authority.
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Seconded, this pedo-apologist should be banned.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Perhaps your friend should have gone on holiday to France. Although the chances of the fat ugly slob getting intimate with any French female, let alone a teenage one, are of course close to nil.
The law in Cambodia is clear.
The law in Cambodia is clear.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Come on; do you even use Facebook? Or are you too old for it? have you ever joined a group? Or the only group you know is BST?RiverRat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:25 amWait, I thought you like barely knew him eight fucking years ago:Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 am
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
What’s your music group? Let me guess, it’s middle aged men only, and you specialize in youth choirs?Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:31 am
Finally; I don’t know him very well; but I knew him from the Occupy Tampa protest a few years ago. He has offered free legal assistant to the protesters despite being threatened about his career by the authority.
Case like this make a buzz and I don’t even need to know him well to know more details, as long as I can read and have a mindset that can think objectively.
After this, I welcome reasonable, relevant and educated arguments. I like to debate in an educated and appropriate manner. I will ignore those who are bitter loser and can barely say anything but “F***”. Just don’t have time for that.
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First polite educated argument. So I’ll reply.
When I brought that point up, I didn’t use that to argue that he should not be punished if he did have sex with them. I said, that is a proof that human at teenagers age are capable of thinking and making conscious choice. They are not purely innocent children. They can lie and can commit crime. Some people here are blindly defending these girls like they were innocent children, and trust their words just because they are “minors” regardless of evidences presented to them. Hence, I brought up this argument to say psychologically, and even legally at some part of the world, teenagers are mature enough to commit crime deliberately. And justice needs to be served; all aspects need to be considered, regardless of age.
Is anyone keeping a list of this guy's usernames? Alfred Douglas / AJ Harnden / wajh / derf / RickyBobby / PorkPiePorn / Machiavelli / Machiavelli2 / Machiavelli3 / FoolMeOnce is a known convicted nonce most recently perma banned OTOF for being a known convicted nonce.
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It's a very weak defense. Girls in Cambodia are less mature than girls of the same age in France. They lack the education and emotional maturity to make decisions about these matters and that's why they are protected by law.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:56 amFirst polite educated argument. So I’ll reply.
When I brought that point up, I didn’t use that to argue that he should not be punished if he did have sex with them. I said, that is a proof that human at teenagers age are capable of thinking and making conscious choice. They are not purely innocent children. They can lie and can commit crime. Some people here are blindly defending these girls like they were innocent children, and trust their words just because they are “minors” regardless of evidences presented to them. Hence, I brought up this argument to say psychologically, and even legally at some part of the world, teenagers are mature enough to commit crime deliberately. And justice needs to be served; all aspects need to be considered, regardless of age.
And whilst you may be right about the age of consent being 14 in France, does that also apply to paid for sex? I don't know, but would guess that the age at which a French girl can sell sex for money is higher than 14.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
No valid reason to ban this poster.
Happy to let the discussions continue.
I refuse to go out with nothing more than a whimper followed by a small farting sound and a shit stain on my bed sheets..
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
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Good points but I’d have to disagree.slavedog wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:32 amIt's a very weak defense. Girls in Cambodia are less mature than girls of the same age in France. They lack the education and emotional maturity to make decisions about these matters and that's why they are protected by law.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:56 amFirst polite educated argument. So I’ll reply.
When I brought that point up, I didn’t use that to argue that he should not be punished if he did have sex with them. I said, that is a proof that human at teenagers age are capable of thinking and making conscious choice. They are not purely innocent children. They can lie and can commit crime. Some people here are blindly defending these girls like they were innocent children, and trust their words just because they are “minors” regardless of evidences presented to them. Hence, I brought up this argument to say psychologically, and even legally at some part of the world, teenagers are mature enough to commit crime deliberately. And justice needs to be served; all aspects need to be considered, regardless of age.
And whilst you may be right about the age of consent being 14 in France, does that also apply to paid for sex? I don't know, but would guess that the age at which a French girl can sell sex for money is higher than 14.
For your first argument, in US the age of consent is 18. Does it mean that girls in US is less mature than girls in France? I’m sure the answer is no.
In South East Asia, people generally are mature earlier than Westerners. Maturity has nothing to do with education. It has a lot to do with the society. Marriage at very young age is not uncommon at this part of the world because of social factors.
For your second point, it’s kind of irrelevant for me already said that I do not support sexual relationship of any kind with minors. It is sickening.
The only reason I brought this up is to point out that at their age, however, they are capable of knowing what they are doing and could deliberately lie, scams and commit crimes.
I then proceeded with reasons why I am doubtful of their claims.
If they are children, meaning, under 12, I’d more likely to trust them 100% with no doubt. Children usually don’t lie or don’t commit crimes willingly. But these girls are not children in this definition. Their actions also prove that they are not good teenagers. They also lied about one statement they made.
I would like to know the truth. And hope the truth will eventually come out. No one should be above the law, however, that also means, regardless of age.
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Thank you for respecting the freedom of speech. I also appreciate your fair judgment when it comes to open discussion and acceptance of different and objective opinions.scoffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:50 amNo valid reason to ban this poster.
Happy to let the discussions continue.
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Don't worry, one of the more astute mods will ban you soon.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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