The Hong Kong Protests
They have been there for weeks but it hasn't been picked up by a viral outlet until now.
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.A group of uniformed police officers entered the airport, where they were met with a sea of laser pointers and chants of “Give back the eye”, in solidarity with a woman badly injured in earlier protests who may lose the sight in her right eye.
Those officers left and soon after riot police arrived, using pepper spray and batons to try to enter the airport. Protesters quickly erected barricades and there was a series of violent confrontations and several arrests.
At one point, unarmed demonstrators cornered an armed officer who had forced a woman to the ground, grabbed his baton off him and beat him with it until he drew a pistol and they fled, according to footage shared on social media.
Within 30 minutes, the police withdrew. They later said they had gone in to rescue an injured man who had been detained by protesters on suspicion of being an undercover officer, the Associated Press reported
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Seems like much of the focus is now on the airport.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:14 pmDozens of Chinese military vehicles congregating in Shenzhen, just a few miles from the HK border.
This could get nasty.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.busi ... sts-2019-8
What are your current thoughts on the situation? How can it end - with her resignation?
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It will be interesting to see how the Chinese government lie their way out if this one.
More terrorists that support democracy.
More terrorists that support democracy.
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Are you for or against them?Miguelito wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:44 amSeems like much of the focus is now on the airport.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:14 pmDozens of Chinese military vehicles congregating in Shenzhen, just a few miles from the HK border.
This could get nasty.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.busi ... sts-2019-8
What are your current thoughts on the situation? How can it end - with her resignation?
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what do the regular Hong Kong citizens make of these protests - whose side are they on?
Miguelito wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:44 amSeems like much of the focus is now on the airport.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:14 pmDozens of Chinese military vehicles congregating in Shenzhen, just a few miles from the HK border.
This could get nasty.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.busi ... sts-2019-8
What are your current thoughts on the situation? How can it end - with her resignation?
If by ‘her resignation’ you mean the CEO, that’s never going to happen. She is effectively sanctioned by China and they won’t agree to it.
This is not between protestors and Lam. It is between the protestors and China, and there is only one winner in conflicts of this sort. China will be itching to go in and do another Tianmen, and is likely holding back only because the world is watching and it knows that the world has moved on since 1989.
I noticed a shift in HKer’s attitudes yesterday, at least from the few I know. The airport occupation and the beating up of people they suspect is being Chinese mainland undercover police has not gone down well and there is a growing sense these youngsters are getting ahead of themselves and going too far. There is still support but it is waning
You have to remember also that the vast majority of HK people are politically inactive. They always have been. Most have never been interested, preferring instead to work and do business. It’s easy to forget that when you see the tv images.
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Ok, sounds like you may think like the Germans in the video who were whining that 'it's your country, your problem'
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You seem to be forgetting very quickly that government thugs disguised as protesters suddenly violently attacked their friends a couple of days ago. What do you expect them to do?Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:01 pmMiguelito wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:44 amSeems like much of the focus is now on the airport.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:14 pmDozens of Chinese military vehicles congregating in Shenzhen, just a few miles from the HK border.
This could get nasty.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.busi ... sts-2019-8
What are your current thoughts on the situation? How can it end - with her resignation?
If by ‘her resignation’ you mean the CEO, that’s never going to happen. She is effectively sanctioned by China and they won’t agree to it.
I noticed a shift in HKer’s attitudes yesterday, at least from the few I know. The airport occupation and the beating up of people they suspect is being Chinese mainland undercover police has not gone down well and there is a growing sense these youngsters are getting ahead of themselves and going too far. There is still support but it is waning
As for Hong Kongers not supporting them in the majority, I think you're forgetting how many people have been involved in the protests over the last weeks.
I haven’t forgotten either things. Neither of them negates my reading of the situation which is based primarily on talking to HKers and other friends who are in HK right now.
They are all of the view that the protests are getting out of hand and far from helping them get what they want, it is more likely to result in the exact opposite - a crackdown and a tightening of restrictions.
They are all of the view that the protests are getting out of hand and far from helping them get what they want, it is more likely to result in the exact opposite - a crackdown and a tightening of restrictions.
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In late July and early August, the People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of China’s Communist party, published various commentaries that seemed to outline an unfolding strategy to counter the protests. The pieces drew a distinction between violent extremists who have used opposition to the extradition law amendment bill as a pretext for other goals, and the vast majority of the Hong Kong public, who were called upon to unite against unruly protesters. The gist of this line was repeated in press briefings by Lam, and by Zhang Xiaoming, director of the Hong Kong and Macau affairs office in Beijing, in a meeting with 300 members of Hong Kong’s pro-Beijing elite in Shenzhen last week.
Zhang argued that Beijing should not compromise with the opposition movement and should make no concession to its demands. He declared that Beijing should rely on Hong Kong’s chief executive and government, the “one country, two systems” principle, the Hong Kong police and judiciary, patriotic forces within Hong Kong, and what he believed to be the overwhelming majority of people living there, who desired peace and stability. Zhang’s statement laid out a multi-pronged strategy.
The Hong Kong police have been given the task of suppressing demonstrations at any cost. A previous commander has been brought back out of retirement, and this week, police were forced to admit that plainclothes officers had infiltrated protesters. Similarly, the judiciary will come under further pressure to carry out politicised charges and expedited procedures.
Next, patriotic forces will be mobilised to reunify the extremely disunited pro-establishment camp: businesses will face disproportionate retaliation or boycotts if they do not actively oppose the protests; universities and public institutions in Hong Kong will be brought back under control through internal discipline. This will raise the cost of sympathising with and participating in the anti-government movement for ordinary protesters. Indeed, pro-establishment politicians immediately lined up behind Beijing’s wording, putting an end to calls for Lam’s resignation or an independent inquiry into police violence.
From the Guardian
Zhang argued that Beijing should not compromise with the opposition movement and should make no concession to its demands. He declared that Beijing should rely on Hong Kong’s chief executive and government, the “one country, two systems” principle, the Hong Kong police and judiciary, patriotic forces within Hong Kong, and what he believed to be the overwhelming majority of people living there, who desired peace and stability. Zhang’s statement laid out a multi-pronged strategy.
The Hong Kong police have been given the task of suppressing demonstrations at any cost. A previous commander has been brought back out of retirement, and this week, police were forced to admit that plainclothes officers had infiltrated protesters. Similarly, the judiciary will come under further pressure to carry out politicised charges and expedited procedures.
Next, patriotic forces will be mobilised to reunify the extremely disunited pro-establishment camp: businesses will face disproportionate retaliation or boycotts if they do not actively oppose the protests; universities and public institutions in Hong Kong will be brought back under control through internal discipline. This will raise the cost of sympathising with and participating in the anti-government movement for ordinary protesters. Indeed, pro-establishment politicians immediately lined up behind Beijing’s wording, putting an end to calls for Lam’s resignation or an independent inquiry into police violence.
From the Guardian
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Seems as if some of your friends may have changed their minds as over 100,000 hit the streets yet again.Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:23 pmI haven’t forgotten either things. Neither of them negates my reading of the situation which is based primarily on talking to HKers and other friends who are in HK right now.
They are all of the view that the protests are getting out of hand and far from helping them get what they want, it is more likely to result in the exact opposite - a crackdown and a tightening of restrictions.
#moreChineselies Nothing to do with us, blame the US.
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No they haven’t. The fact the protests are going on does not negate the fact that annoyance of it prevails.
Your logic is silly. There are 7.5 million HKers. 100,000 may be protesting; it’s a stretch to assume the remaining 7.4 million either support or oppose the protests.
Most HKers want to maintain their HK identity and lifestyle. That doesn’t mean they support these protests. The HKers I know believe such protests are likely to make things worse, not better.
Your logic is silly. There are 7.5 million HKers. 100,000 may be protesting; it’s a stretch to assume the remaining 7.4 million either support or oppose the protests.
Most HKers want to maintain their HK identity and lifestyle. That doesn’t mean they support these protests. The HKers I know believe such protests are likely to make things worse, not better.
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