Argue in circles about British politics thread
^^^ That just confirms that Little Britain is quickly approaching failed state status, apparently the people are too dumb or ignorant to realize what's going on.
Soon they will be spouting nonsense on TV similar to, "How could this happen in the U.S.?", after yet another school shooting.
That's something that I am prone to forget, being a long-time expat: Maybe today's politicians ARE on par with today's populace. We need to bring back euthanasia programs, and promptly.
Soon they will be spouting nonsense on TV similar to, "How could this happen in the U.S.?", after yet another school shooting.
That's something that I am prone to forget, being a long-time expat: Maybe today's politicians ARE on par with today's populace. We need to bring back euthanasia programs, and promptly.
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For some reason, I get an image of a fat, loud mouthed mum stuffing fish and chips through a hole in a school fence so that her kids can eat 'proper food - not that crap Oliver is forcing them to eat'. The typical Brexiter?Alex wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:03 pm^^^ That just confirms that Little Britain is quickly approaching failed state status, apparently the people are too dumb or ignorant to realize what's going on.
Soon they will be spouting nonsense on TV similar to, "How could this happen in the U.S.?", after yet another school shooting.
That's something that I am prone to forget, being a long-time expat: Maybe today's politicians ARE on par with today's populace. We need to bring back euthanasia programs, and promptly.
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The Mail on Sunday reported that Mr Cummings told a meeting of special advisers in Number 10 on Friday that, in the case of defeat, executive power could be used to re-suspend the Commons.
A Whitehall source told the paper that this would inevitably mean another court battle, but this would “tie everyone up in legal knots” as the clock ran down towards the scheduled 31 October date for Brexit.
He just went up 2 more percentage points, no doubt.
A Whitehall source told the paper that this would inevitably mean another court battle, but this would “tie everyone up in legal knots” as the clock ran down towards the scheduled 31 October date for Brexit.
He just went up 2 more percentage points, no doubt.
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Now, that overweight twat is comparing himself to the Hulk.
There are two things about the Hulk that Boris 'Churchill' Johnson can be compared with: being incredible and being a
RobW and Slavedog, this morning, I suggest you put this on full volume and dance around the room naked.
There are two things about the Hulk that Boris 'Churchill' Johnson can be compared with: being incredible and being a
RobW and Slavedog, this morning, I suggest you put this on full volume and dance around the room naked.
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EU must show flexibility, says Raab before Johnson-Juncker meeting.
Sure, those fucking EU bastards should show willingness to undermine the GFA and start the troubles.
No doubt the Brexiters love the rhetoric, and are willing to get blown to pieces while shopping for England.
One thing that has been shown over the last week is just how dementedly redneck Brexiters really are.
Sure, those fucking EU bastards should show willingness to undermine the GFA and start the troubles.
No doubt the Brexiters love the rhetoric, and are willing to get blown to pieces while shopping for England.
One thing that has been shown over the last week is just how dementedly redneck Brexiters really are.
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I regard that comment with disdain. I have outlined my reasons numerous times on the various threads.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:26 pm
One thing that has been shown over the last week is just how dementedly redneck Brexiters really are.
I am prepared to outline them again, but not if you are going to keep hurling insults without pondering carefully what someone has said. In your much-vaunted democratic model, there are two or more more sides to a discussion, are there not?
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
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David Gauke: The three Brexit policy options from which the Prime Minister must now choose.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thecol ... hoose.htmlSecond, it means taking on Nigel Farage and, potentially, losing the support of voters enthusiastic about No Deal. It is a real problem for the Conservative Party. Too many of our voters have listened to those who have argued that any compromise constituted a betrayal, and that this great nation had nothing to fear from a no deal Brexit.
That type of rhetoric has boxed the Government in and made it harder for us as a country and Party to face up to the trade-offs inherent in reaching a sustainable compromise. Only a very skilled communicator could move from being an opponent of compromise to an advocate for it. In my view, we have a Prime Minister with the capacity to do that, but it will not be easy.
In short, Johnson has two options if he is going to face an imminent general election. Tough it out, be a No Deal Brexit Party and lose votes to the Liberal Democrats. Or get a deal and risk the return of the Brexit Party.
There is a third option, of course, if a majority for a deal cannot be assembled. Try to resolve Brexit this side of a general glection by holding a referendum, as suggested recently by Oliver Letwin. This could mean that Brexit will have been resolved by the time we get to that election and, the argument goes, the traditional Conservative coalition of voters can be restored
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Well, whatever you say about world order, I don't see it as an imminent threat. What I see as truly imminent threats are:springrain wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:05 pmI regard that comment with disdain. I have outlined my reasons numerous times on the various threads.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:26 pm
One thing that has been shown over the last week is just how dementedly redneck Brexiters really are.
I am prepared to outline them again, but not if you are going to keep hurling insults without pondering carefully what someone has said. In your much-vaunted democratic model, there are two or more more sides to a discussion, are there not?
The disruption - a no deal brexit will cause re the Yellowhammer document.
This government - who have been using #projectfear whilst hiding evidence to the contrary until forced by parliament to do so, and then silencing it so it can't demand transparency again; thereby, unleashing a constitutional crisis.
An insistence in wrecking - the GFA and, ipso facto, restarting the bombings and murders etc.
Excuse me, if I find anyone in support of these things so they can get their own way of being redneck, but you can surely see why.
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The point in bold is key. It is the controlling powers who are doing that. There is no evidence because whatever will suit their purpose will be presented in a shroud of lies, as usual. Don't start me off on 'Climate Change.'kungfufighter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:50 pmWell, whatever you say about world order, I don't see it as an imminent threat. What I see as truly imminent threats are:springrain wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:05 pmI regard that comment with disdain. I have outlined my reasons numerous times on the various threads.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:26 pm
One thing that has been shown over the last week is just how dementedly redneck Brexiters really are.
I am prepared to outline them again, but not if you are going to keep hurling insults without pondering carefully what someone has said. In your much-vaunted democratic model, there are two or more more sides to a discussion, are there not?
The disruption a no deal brexit will cause re the Yellowhammer document.
This government who have been using #projectfear whilst hiding evidence to the contrary until forced by parliament to do so, and then silencing it so it can't demand transparency again; thereby, unleashing a constitutional crisis.
An insistence in wrecking the GFA and, ipso facto, restarting the bombings and murders etc.
Excuse me, if I find anyone in support of these things so they can get their own way of being redneck, but you can surely see why.
Who do you think writes these 'documents'?
Who do you think wrote that absurd movie script JFK?
Who do you think created an insidious organisation that it is extremely difficult to leave, once in?
It is precisely because some people don't see it as an imminent threat that they are able to focus people's attentions on distractions. The Brexit issue suits their purpose admirably.
Tomorrow, I'll offer you some quotes from historically important proponents of the EU.
We'll see that those bast*rds have their snouts in the trough and they will stop at nothing. They don't need to because people constantly allow themselves to be deceived.
Can you not see that this whole charade has been planned & arranged?
There is no democracy.
A few politicians might jump ship, wave the mace around and pull stunts. But they still collect their salaries and bonuses.
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The state of play so far,
Corbyn is trying to force Johnson to get a deal because he knows that he will lose support as many will vote for no deal via the Brexit party, and leave Corbyn with an excellent chance of winning the election.
Johnson is telling everyone that he's going to get a deal, knowing full well that nobody believes him because he's a proven liar and has not offered any evidence of such deal, and he has been using rhetoric like dead in a ditch all to keep the no deal Brexiters on side.
If he actually got a deal, his popularity would drop dramatically.
The supreme court case starts today. What will happen if he is found against. People may come to their senses and there will be another referendum before an election. If instead there is an election first, will the Brexit party gain enough support to take on Labour. Johnson is desperate for an election before he can be shown to be making a real effort at a deal, or risk destroying his own party and its chances and handing victory to either Corbyn, Swinson or Farage. I wonder what method he will use this week to get one.
Corbyn is trying to force Johnson to get a deal because he knows that he will lose support as many will vote for no deal via the Brexit party, and leave Corbyn with an excellent chance of winning the election.
Johnson is telling everyone that he's going to get a deal, knowing full well that nobody believes him because he's a proven liar and has not offered any evidence of such deal, and he has been using rhetoric like dead in a ditch all to keep the no deal Brexiters on side.
If he actually got a deal, his popularity would drop dramatically.
The supreme court case starts today. What will happen if he is found against. People may come to their senses and there will be another referendum before an election. If instead there is an election first, will the Brexit party gain enough support to take on Labour. Johnson is desperate for an election before he can be shown to be making a real effort at a deal, or risk destroying his own party and its chances and handing victory to either Corbyn, Swinson or Farage. I wonder what method he will use this week to get one.
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It's OK we now have Boris in the pilot seat. Same course but faster!
And the problem with the Irish border has been present in every meeting about Brexit.
And the problem with the Irish border has been present in every meeting about Brexit.
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It’s going to have to be split into three parts.
There’s so much I’d like to say, but it’s better to package it as ‘manageable chunks’. Part 1 here and now. I’ll try to put up part 2 ASAP; then we go on a trip into the dark underworld; we might need a Davy Lamp as we venture into some caves. We might be in for a few shocks.
I’d like to kick off with this piece: independent.com: Boris was right about the EU being a Fascist State.
But it has been pulled; it has gone; to quote Monty Python’s line, plagiarised by Mrs Thatcher: it is a dead parrot. Yes, we live in a society where research is hindered by the media’s sudden dropping of key articles. But I am a subscriber to many newspapers, so I shall find it again.
Oh, well, I shall move on.
Here’s a few quotes from Jean-Claude Junckers (a bit of research into his family line is revealing).
On Greece's economic meltdown in 2011
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie.
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates.”
Well, Mr Juncker, I, too, am ready for ‘secret, dark debates.’ But you will not be leading me; I shall be leading you. (My words.) More of that later, when we look into the secret underworld. We'll look at the driving force behind the EU.
On Sovereignty:
Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?,” A rhetorical question, Mr Juncker?
On the introduction of the euro:
"We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see who,”
French referendum over EU constitution
“If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’,”
It happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back." (Key words underlined & in bold.)
On eurozone economic policy and democracy:
“We all know what to do, we just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it."
Sure, we trust this guy to deliver, based on ‘Sovereignty,’ don’t we?
More in part 2, tomorrow.
There’s so much I’d like to say, but it’s better to package it as ‘manageable chunks’. Part 1 here and now. I’ll try to put up part 2 ASAP; then we go on a trip into the dark underworld; we might need a Davy Lamp as we venture into some caves. We might be in for a few shocks.
I’d like to kick off with this piece: independent.com: Boris was right about the EU being a Fascist State.
But it has been pulled; it has gone; to quote Monty Python’s line, plagiarised by Mrs Thatcher: it is a dead parrot. Yes, we live in a society where research is hindered by the media’s sudden dropping of key articles. But I am a subscriber to many newspapers, so I shall find it again.
Oh, well, I shall move on.
Here’s a few quotes from Jean-Claude Junckers (a bit of research into his family line is revealing).
On Greece's economic meltdown in 2011
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie.
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates.”
Well, Mr Juncker, I, too, am ready for ‘secret, dark debates.’ But you will not be leading me; I shall be leading you. (My words.) More of that later, when we look into the secret underworld. We'll look at the driving force behind the EU.
On Sovereignty:
Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?,” A rhetorical question, Mr Juncker?
On the introduction of the euro:
"We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see who,”
French referendum over EU constitution
“If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’,”
It happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back." (Key words underlined & in bold.)
On eurozone economic policy and democracy:
“We all know what to do, we just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it."
Sure, we trust this guy to deliver, based on ‘Sovereignty,’ don’t we?
More in part 2, tomorrow.
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Anyone else wondered if the redacted Yellowhammer report was telling the whole truth? Well, you were right, it wasn't. The Financial Times have released details of the true chaos a no deal exit would bring at ports.
"Ministers have “fiddled the figures” to disguise the true level of chaos at British ports from a no-deal Brexit, it has been alleged.
The government’s Operation Yellowhammer dossier – only released after a parliamentary battle – predicted a “low risk of significant sustained queues” at ports other than in Kent.
But new documents have revealed this would only be the case because tens of thousands of vehicles would be turned away before they reached the coast, for not having the correct paperwork
No-deal Brexit: Tens of thousands of lorries with ‘wrong paperwork’ to be turned away at ports, secret government documents reveal
"Much of the analysis only seems to consider those vehicles which have the correct paperwork and totally overlooks the impact of those HGVs which won’t,”
“One hundred per cent of non-compliant vehicles will be turned away, which means the resulting flow rate is 29 per cent at Holyhead, Heysham and Liverpool, and 32 per cent at Portsmouth,” one states.
Meanwhile, at Dover, the busiest port for traffic to and from the EU, the queues could reach a peak of 8,500 vehicles, according to one of the documents seen by the FT.
It calculated that, given the typical 16.5m length of an articulated lorry, the tailbacks outside Dover could stretch to about 150km.
That's one hundred and fifty kilometers, folks.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 08471.html
"Ministers have “fiddled the figures” to disguise the true level of chaos at British ports from a no-deal Brexit, it has been alleged.
The government’s Operation Yellowhammer dossier – only released after a parliamentary battle – predicted a “low risk of significant sustained queues” at ports other than in Kent.
But new documents have revealed this would only be the case because tens of thousands of vehicles would be turned away before they reached the coast, for not having the correct paperwork
No-deal Brexit: Tens of thousands of lorries with ‘wrong paperwork’ to be turned away at ports, secret government documents reveal
"Much of the analysis only seems to consider those vehicles which have the correct paperwork and totally overlooks the impact of those HGVs which won’t,”
“One hundred per cent of non-compliant vehicles will be turned away, which means the resulting flow rate is 29 per cent at Holyhead, Heysham and Liverpool, and 32 per cent at Portsmouth,” one states.
Meanwhile, at Dover, the busiest port for traffic to and from the EU, the queues could reach a peak of 8,500 vehicles, according to one of the documents seen by the FT.
It calculated that, given the typical 16.5m length of an articulated lorry, the tailbacks outside Dover could stretch to about 150km.
That's one hundred and fifty kilometers, folks.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 08471.html
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Please, post the document/s and passages those quotes are from. Otherwise, they are meaningless. You seem to be of the government's view that redaction is the best way to inform.
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