With the increase in petrol prices, it would make sense that moto fares would also increase. Is that happening? I think it would be hard for motodups to increase fares in any remotely uniform manner, because they are such a disorganized lot. If one moto driver tries to hold out for 3000 riel - $1 from a barang for a standard 2000 riel barang ride, there would always be another guy who might come by a minute later and be willing to go for 2000 riel.
I could see a bunch of motodups who work the same corner trying to price fix (like the guys outside Sharky's), but other than that they are just too numerous and disogrnaized to act in unison. What they need to do is elect a supreme leader like Cyrus from the movie "The Warriors." He can tell them what prices to charge, and then they can all beat the crap out of any motodup who undercuts those prices.
Are moto fares going up?
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With Moto's K is right. The longer you stay and are known the less you pay. I can get moto rides from 1,000 riel now. Never more than a $.
The Tuk Tuks are more expensive than before though. Hard to get one for less than a dollar and the more people who use you pay more. I went from the palace to Russian Market last week with Ms Bar and friend and it was $3. 3 months ago it would have been $2.
The Tuk Tuks are more expensive than before though. Hard to get one for less than a dollar and the more people who use you pay more. I went from the palace to Russian Market last week with Ms Bar and friend and it was $3. 3 months ago it would have been $2.
I've always paid a dollar pr trip - i know i could probably get it cheaper, but they need it more than me, and I'm just such a nice guy. Besides, it's hardly worth arguing over.
Anyway, some drivers have started asking for more lately - just yesterday one of the guys outside my apartment asked for $3 after a quick 2-stop shopping run, when $2 should have been more than enough. And one of the tuktuk's outside Sorya wanted $4 for a ride to the national museum with a quick stop at psar kandal. Can't really blame them though, with the price increases.
Anyway, some drivers have started asking for more lately - just yesterday one of the guys outside my apartment asked for $3 after a quick 2-stop shopping run, when $2 should have been more than enough. And one of the tuktuk's outside Sorya wanted $4 for a ride to the national museum with a quick stop at psar kandal. Can't really blame them though, with the price increases.
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Meh, I'm not gonna argue over a lousy 2000 riel, the hassle/cash ratio is just way too low. Just regard it as a tiny contribution to the local economy, if it makes you feel better.logos wrote:A sucker, more like.I've always paid a dollar pr trip - i know i could probably get it cheaper, but they need it more than me, and I'm just such a nice guy.
Plus guys like you make it a hassle for all other barang to get away with a normal fare for a standard ride, namely 1000 to 2000.
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I don't like saying this, but being a "nice guy" here is not viewed as such. More than likely you'll be looked down on for it. They might even have a good laugh at your expense. We had this problem with workers a few different times; we pay above-market with regular days off and generous benefits. We've been paid back with theft and nasty back-biting. This attitude holds especially true for workers from the countryside. Some of them will almost despise you if you try to treat them with dignity and respect. Now I try to pay a minimum and tip or give bonuses if I feel they've earned it. That way they'll know that if they want extras they have to earn them. The quality of their employee/employer relationship is entirely up to them. If they perform up to standards, they're rewarded, if they fall short, they'll know it too.erikg wrote:I've always paid a dollar pr trip - i know i could probably get it cheaper, but they need it more than me, and I'm just such a nice guy. Besides, it's hardly worth arguing over.
Anyway, some drivers have started asking for more lately - just yesterday one of the guys outside my apartment asked for $3 after a quick 2-stop shopping run, when $2 should have been more than enough. And one of the tuktuk's outside Sorya wanted $4 for a ride to the national museum with a quick stop at psar kandal. Can't really blame them though, with the price increases.
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Yeah, I've heard that too. I mean, I get the whole "stupid barangs always paying too much" line, but you would think that at some level they'd be grateful too. But I can see how it would turn into "how much can i rip this barang off for?" on a larger scale.terrifiedanimal wrote:I don't like saying this, but being a "nice guy" here is not viewed as such. More than likely you'll be looked down on for it. They might even have a good laugh at your expense. We had this problem with workers a few different times; we pay above-market with regular days off and generous benefits. We've been paid back with theft and nasty back-biting.erikg wrote:I've always paid a dollar pr trip - i know i could probably get it cheaper, but they need it more than me, and I'm just such a nice guy. Besides, it's hardly worth arguing over.
Still, I don't really see $1/ride as a big deal, surely there are more worthwhile ways to be a cheapass?
Allegedly there is a form of Teamsters type organisation here in Snooky. Some snakehead who does a lot of the rip off lending to aspiring dops and tuk tuk drivers, apparently also metes out discipline to any of the tribe who let the side down.gavinmac wrote:I could see a bunch of motodups who work the same corner trying to price fix (like the guys outside Sharky's), but other than that they are just too numerous and disogrnaized to act in unison. What they need to do is elect a supreme leader like Cyrus from the movie "The Warriors." He can tell them what prices to charge, and then they can all beat the crap out of any motodup who undercuts those prices.
I heard of 2 incidents last year when the USS Essex was in town where tuk tuk drivers were beaten up at his request, because they undercut the ridiculous fares being demanded by the mob. Eg, a $3 to $4 trip from downtown to the port became $15 to $25 dollars in the last hour before the marines faced their 10pm back on board curfew.
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That's funny. I hate the Sihanoukville motodops and tuk tuk drivers, but I'm impressed by their ingenuity if they were getting $15 - $20 per ride.Lemons wrote: I heard of 2 incidents last year when the USS Essex was in town where tuk tuk drivers were beaten up at his request, because they undercut the ridiculous fares being demanded by the mob. Eg, a $3 to $4 trip from downtown to the port became $15 to $25 dollars in the last hour before the marines faced their 10pm back on board curfew.
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