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Free bart lauwaert now,are you next????!!!
:(My poor brother has been in siem reap jail for more then 2 years now;
on the website of inquisition21 anyone can see the pictures of the so called victims and their poor families,unfortunatly everybody except the australian goverment (who seem to stick their heads up their own a'holes)knows that he is innocent.I m thruly shocked that the australian goverment doesnt give a damn about their citizens.I have lived in cambodia myself,and I would advice anyone not to go,especialy if you are male.My brother is buried alive ,his life destroyed ,yet at least 150 cambodians including the "victims signed a petition to declare his innocence,Are you sure you expats tht you will not be next?
I knew 1 year before they got an other innocent man graham cleghorn,that they the CWCC where gonne go after him ,from 8000 miles away,strange no???Are you sure you will not be next?please explain ,any expats?
on the website of inquisition21 anyone can see the pictures of the so called victims and their poor families,unfortunatly everybody except the australian goverment (who seem to stick their heads up their own a'holes)knows that he is innocent.I m thruly shocked that the australian goverment doesnt give a damn about their citizens.I have lived in cambodia myself,and I would advice anyone not to go,especialy if you are male.My brother is buried alive ,his life destroyed ,yet at least 150 cambodians including the "victims signed a petition to declare his innocence,Are you sure you expats tht you will not be next?
I knew 1 year before they got an other innocent man graham cleghorn,that they the CWCC where gonne go after him ,from 8000 miles away,strange no???Are you sure you will not be next?please explain ,any expats?
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For those of you interested to know, the above post refers to this article...
By Brian Dyer
The girls behind the development and launch of this web site have been kidnapped, assaulted through having unwanted virginity tests forced upon their bodies, blackmailed, threatened, and forced to lie. The money promised to them and their families never materialized once the organization behind the attacks upon them had used them and got their way by succeeding in the conviction and imprisonment of several innocent men, in the process raising their own profile with their US and Australian and other international benefactors, and improving their revenue.
The girls and their parents thus used were simply cast aside. The position of the girls was now as follows- made to lie, forced to suffer shameful virginity testing, branded as 'victims of rape', which named and shamed them and damaged or sabotaged their marriage prospects - they were literally defiled by an organization masquerading as their protector. In one case, a father that had overspent on the promise of money to come committed suicide and his wife soon followed him to the grave. But what was the girls' main subsequent motivation and action? All the more astonishing in view of the fact that the court that condemned the men on the basis of their forced false accusations refused to let them give evidence retracting it, their main motivation was to clear the innocent men by telling the truth.
How did they do this? First they sought out and spoke to the only Western woman journalist they could find in Cambodia. She tipped off a couple of overseas journalists and book authors, one of whom took up the cause of the girls. There are two sets of girls from the two villages of Khok Dong and Chikraing. The Khok Dong girls were involved in allegations against two Australian men, while the Chikraing girls were involved in allegations against a New Zealand man. Both sets of girls however were inveigled into the scheme of accusing the men by the same organization, the one they are accusing here - the Cambodian Women's Crisis Centre (CWCC).
We can only give a brief summary of their courage and fight here. One of the Chikraing girls was ten years old when the CWCC tried to get her to accuse New Zealander Graham Cleghorn. Despite being seized by them she refused and still holds out. She and her friends were refused permission to speak in his defence at his original trial in Siem Reap. The authorities moved him for his appeal in December 2004 to Phnom Pen, hundreds of kilometres from the girl's village. With assistance from friends they were bussed up to the court which also meant an overnight stay. Once again the judges refused to allow them to testify.
The Khok Dong girls, who were involved in the accusations against the two Australian men, Bart Lauwaert and Clint Betterridge, wrote the letters that are on this web site, made statements, and two of them and their mother made a taped interview. They then wrote to the Prime Minister, made a banner which declared one of the two men that had been accused innocent (the only one of the two still in Siem Reap Prison, as the other is imprisoned in Australia).The banner shown on this site attacked the CWCC whom they claimed kidnapped and coerced them into making the false accusations. They tried to hold a press conference, but could not afford the trip and overnight stay in Phnom Pen. They managed to get their story told prominently on the web site of Inquisition 21st century, where it began to receive wide publicity.
The CWCC fought back and sent representatives to their villages. In the case of one of the three convicted men (Cleghorn) they took some of the girls back 'into their protection', but in the case of others involved with that man's conviction they could not get them to 'recant their recantations'. The girls involved in the accusations against the Australians held their ground and still stand firm. This must be seen in the context of penniless girls and an organization with both huge funds and the police in their pay. They cannot get these girls to move from their position of wanting to tell the truth.
The girls from the villages of Khok Dong, Chikraing and Bantey Srey.
The Bart Lauwaert girls (some also Clint Betterridge girls*)
Kuun Sovie
Kuun Sovey
Puen Lika
Preem Laom
Nuon Sokhom
Paad Srey Pouv
Preem Lieuw
Ruon Ruen
Roen Srey Rie
Chock Srey Mon
* All of the above girls support Bart Lauwaert, who, as far as they are concerned being in prison in Cambodia, is the one they have to support. The ones who were also involved in the Clint Betterridge case now also support him. This is somewhat complicated by the fact that they sometimes refer to each man by the nickname 'Lucky'. It seems that to young Cambodians white men of the same age look the same.)
Two of the above also support Graham Cleghorn. They are:
Kuun Sovie
kuun Sovey
Here is the list of all the girls/people who support Graham Cleghorn:
Koen Sovie
Koen Sovey
Loem Sreymap
Thouk Som Ang
Ve Sreynuon
Ron Lang, stepfather of Koen Sovie and Koen Sovey
Hien Tuon, mother of Loem Sreymap
Poel Pien, mother of Thouk Som Ang
Two former accusers went missing at Graham's appeal. They are:
Srey Lin
Srey Na
It is said that Srey Lin escaped from the CWCC. At the original trial in Siem Reap, Srey Na, a women who appeared to be 22 years old, but claimed to be a raped underage virgin, was asked whether she'd had a sexual relationship with any person other than Cleghorn. She replied to the judge, "No." Five months later she gave birth to a child whose racial features indicated that Cleghorn was definitely not the father.
All the letters both in original Khmer and translated into English The originals were written by the girls and bear their thumbprints. They have also attached photos of themselves to the individual letters. As they cannot write in English they received help with the handwritten English versions. Here now are some sample letters Translated into English.
1. Kuun Sovie's letter
Hello, I am the girl name Kuun Sovie. I am sixteen years old. I am nationality Cambodian. In July 2002 me and my sister were kidnapped by the CWCC and the police. Then they keep me in the CWCC detention place for six months. These bad people force me give false testimony against 'Lucky' (Bart Lauwaert). The CWCC promise my family a lot of money to do this but they lie! They never help my family. No my father die and my family very poor. Nobody have job or money, go to school. Please help us!
Thank you,
Sovie
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004.
2. Kuun Sovey's letter
Hello my friends and brothers and sisters. I am Kuun Sovey. I am fifteen years old. I am the younger sister of Sovie. My story is the same as my sister. CWCC kidnap me same time as my sister. Force me to complain about 'Lucky' (Bart Lauwaert). He, the only man in the world, used to help my family. He want to do good deed - help the poor people. But CWCC no good. Promise money a lot to my mother and say (if) I do not do as they say they will put me and my family in the Prison. I want Lucky to have freedom. I angry CWCC lie a lot (and) destroy my family. Now nobody have the food. Please help!
Sovey
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004.
3. Puung Lika's letter
Hello, people of the world, all together! My name is Srey Lika and I am seventeen years old. More than two ears ago the police and CWCC came to my village and grab my body (abduct). They then take me to the house of CWCC. They tell me must stay there by law - they say must help them get the money from Australian government. They force me to accuse my friend and teacher - to say he rape me. This not true. 'Lucky' (Bart Lauwaert) is same like monk. For six months CWCC make me sleep on floor in their office. They teach me say many bad things about Lucky at trial. I very, very angry them. You know I very ashamed to speak but this organization take me to doctor to check my virginity. I don't want to go . . . but I very afraid them. After six months they send me back to my aunt not give me anything! Both my parents dead - only have my aunt very old. Nobody my village want marry with me now. What I do? Somebody have good heart. Please help me and my aunt.
Srey Lika
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004. (Srey Lika means 'Girl Lika)
4. Praem Laum's letter
My name is Praem Laum and I am eighteen years old. I live at Keing Doong Kum Level village - Siem Reap Province. In August 2002 (?) grabbed me and locked me away in their detention place for six months. They abuse me and want me to complain against Bart and Clinton. They said: Do that! Take the money! But he Lucky (Bart)/Clinton never did this action (against the law). CWCC broke the law many, many times. CWCC same as criminals. Now my family same like prisoners because we are so poor we have nothing to eat. Please we beg the foreigners for help to us.
Praem Laum
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
5. Nuon Sokhom's letter
My name is Nuon Sokhom. Hello there! In august 2002 the CWCC arrested me (without warrant) and took me to their Prison. At their place they abused me because they wanted to force a complaint against Lucky (Bart). They want me to answer that Lucky raped me - They said if I do (say) like that I will get a lot of money! But Lucky never did anything at all! CWCC is wrong with the law already! (They) kidnap the small children then put in place same like prison. Now my family very, very poor. We do not have any food because we don't have a father - only our mother. So please I beg all the foreigners to help my family.
Nuon Sokhom
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
6. Pat Srey Poev's letter
My name is Paad Srey Pou. I am twelve years old and live in Puung Kedoong village, Siem Reap Province. I want to tell you about the CWCC. This organization took me to their Prison for six months stay inside. Every seven days they gave me eight cents (= 300 Riel)!!!. They never allowed me outside. Now my father is very sick and is in hospital. Please help us so I can help my father.
Thank you.
Paad Srey Pou
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
7. Pream Lieo's letter
My name is Pream Liew (sister of Praem Laum). I am thirteen years old. My village is Keing Doong Kum Level village - Siem Reap Province. On the 2nd of August 2002 (?) came and kidnapped me and took me to their holding centre. We were not allowed to go anywhere for six months! They treat me badly (abuse) and want me to answer that Bart raped me! They said that if I did like this I would get a lot of money but he (Lucky) not guilty at all! CWCC break the law very, very much. CWCC treats like prisoners. My family is now so poor we really don't have any food to eat at all. I beg the foreigners to help us.
Pream Liew
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
8. Run Raun's letter
My name is Roen Raan (sister of Roen Srey Rie) and I am eighteen years old. When I worked at Lucky's (Clinton's)* house I was happy in my heart. Three months later the CWCC abducted me and took me to their place and forced me to say Lucky/Clint raped me but to tell the truth he never did anything. The CWCC knew this about Lucky. They knew he was a good person who always helped to feed the poor who had nothing to eat. I lost my mother three years ago. Please foreigners, help our family.
Run Rauns
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
*The two men shared a house briefly. The girls also confuse singular and plural in relation to the two men.
9. Run Srey Rie's letter
My name is Roen Srei Rie and I am sixteen years old. When I went to Lucky/Clinton's house I was very happy! Lucky/Clinton* is a very good person(s) who never rape children at all! On Tuesday 12th August 2002 the organization CWCC kidnapped me - I was taken to their place. They (CWCC) forced me to say Lucky raped me. But Lucky never rape me. No! When the CWCC interrogate me I tell them he is a good person who helps the poor who have no food at all. Please I ask the foreigners to help me! The CWCC took me to their centre and made me (against my will) stay there for six months and me, Roen Srei Rie, lost my mother three years ago already.
Roen Srei Rie
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
*The two men shared a house briefly. The girls also confuse singular and plural in relation to the two men.
Graham's defense witnesses
Bart/Clint supporters
An interview with 2 girls and mother
Part 1.
Part 2
Part 3
Girls letter to King
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Ten girls sign letter to King.
Graham document
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Girls write to Prime Minister
Part 1.
Part 2.
100 villagers sign petition
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Eight not silenced
The eight not allowed to give evidence in court for Graham
Graham writes to King
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Rudolf Knuchel being arrested.
See bare shoulder and arm as he is taken from his room. Arrows pointing to journalists.
The police celebrate at the station within earshot of Rudolf. See journalist and a woman from the CWCC sitting on left.
Close up of a 'journalist' celebrating with the police
from website http://www.ectopia.org/
By Brian Dyer
The girls behind the development and launch of this web site have been kidnapped, assaulted through having unwanted virginity tests forced upon their bodies, blackmailed, threatened, and forced to lie. The money promised to them and their families never materialized once the organization behind the attacks upon them had used them and got their way by succeeding in the conviction and imprisonment of several innocent men, in the process raising their own profile with their US and Australian and other international benefactors, and improving their revenue.
The girls and their parents thus used were simply cast aside. The position of the girls was now as follows- made to lie, forced to suffer shameful virginity testing, branded as 'victims of rape', which named and shamed them and damaged or sabotaged their marriage prospects - they were literally defiled by an organization masquerading as their protector. In one case, a father that had overspent on the promise of money to come committed suicide and his wife soon followed him to the grave. But what was the girls' main subsequent motivation and action? All the more astonishing in view of the fact that the court that condemned the men on the basis of their forced false accusations refused to let them give evidence retracting it, their main motivation was to clear the innocent men by telling the truth.
How did they do this? First they sought out and spoke to the only Western woman journalist they could find in Cambodia. She tipped off a couple of overseas journalists and book authors, one of whom took up the cause of the girls. There are two sets of girls from the two villages of Khok Dong and Chikraing. The Khok Dong girls were involved in allegations against two Australian men, while the Chikraing girls were involved in allegations against a New Zealand man. Both sets of girls however were inveigled into the scheme of accusing the men by the same organization, the one they are accusing here - the Cambodian Women's Crisis Centre (CWCC).
We can only give a brief summary of their courage and fight here. One of the Chikraing girls was ten years old when the CWCC tried to get her to accuse New Zealander Graham Cleghorn. Despite being seized by them she refused and still holds out. She and her friends were refused permission to speak in his defence at his original trial in Siem Reap. The authorities moved him for his appeal in December 2004 to Phnom Pen, hundreds of kilometres from the girl's village. With assistance from friends they were bussed up to the court which also meant an overnight stay. Once again the judges refused to allow them to testify.
The Khok Dong girls, who were involved in the accusations against the two Australian men, Bart Lauwaert and Clint Betterridge, wrote the letters that are on this web site, made statements, and two of them and their mother made a taped interview. They then wrote to the Prime Minister, made a banner which declared one of the two men that had been accused innocent (the only one of the two still in Siem Reap Prison, as the other is imprisoned in Australia).The banner shown on this site attacked the CWCC whom they claimed kidnapped and coerced them into making the false accusations. They tried to hold a press conference, but could not afford the trip and overnight stay in Phnom Pen. They managed to get their story told prominently on the web site of Inquisition 21st century, where it began to receive wide publicity.
The CWCC fought back and sent representatives to their villages. In the case of one of the three convicted men (Cleghorn) they took some of the girls back 'into their protection', but in the case of others involved with that man's conviction they could not get them to 'recant their recantations'. The girls involved in the accusations against the Australians held their ground and still stand firm. This must be seen in the context of penniless girls and an organization with both huge funds and the police in their pay. They cannot get these girls to move from their position of wanting to tell the truth.
The girls from the villages of Khok Dong, Chikraing and Bantey Srey.
The Bart Lauwaert girls (some also Clint Betterridge girls*)
Kuun Sovie
Kuun Sovey
Puen Lika
Preem Laom
Nuon Sokhom
Paad Srey Pouv
Preem Lieuw
Ruon Ruen
Roen Srey Rie
Chock Srey Mon
* All of the above girls support Bart Lauwaert, who, as far as they are concerned being in prison in Cambodia, is the one they have to support. The ones who were also involved in the Clint Betterridge case now also support him. This is somewhat complicated by the fact that they sometimes refer to each man by the nickname 'Lucky'. It seems that to young Cambodians white men of the same age look the same.)
Two of the above also support Graham Cleghorn. They are:
Kuun Sovie
kuun Sovey
Here is the list of all the girls/people who support Graham Cleghorn:
Koen Sovie
Koen Sovey
Loem Sreymap
Thouk Som Ang
Ve Sreynuon
Ron Lang, stepfather of Koen Sovie and Koen Sovey
Hien Tuon, mother of Loem Sreymap
Poel Pien, mother of Thouk Som Ang
Two former accusers went missing at Graham's appeal. They are:
Srey Lin
Srey Na
It is said that Srey Lin escaped from the CWCC. At the original trial in Siem Reap, Srey Na, a women who appeared to be 22 years old, but claimed to be a raped underage virgin, was asked whether she'd had a sexual relationship with any person other than Cleghorn. She replied to the judge, "No." Five months later she gave birth to a child whose racial features indicated that Cleghorn was definitely not the father.
All the letters both in original Khmer and translated into English The originals were written by the girls and bear their thumbprints. They have also attached photos of themselves to the individual letters. As they cannot write in English they received help with the handwritten English versions. Here now are some sample letters Translated into English.
1. Kuun Sovie's letter
Hello, I am the girl name Kuun Sovie. I am sixteen years old. I am nationality Cambodian. In July 2002 me and my sister were kidnapped by the CWCC and the police. Then they keep me in the CWCC detention place for six months. These bad people force me give false testimony against 'Lucky' (Bart Lauwaert). The CWCC promise my family a lot of money to do this but they lie! They never help my family. No my father die and my family very poor. Nobody have job or money, go to school. Please help us!
Thank you,
Sovie
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004.
2. Kuun Sovey's letter
Hello my friends and brothers and sisters. I am Kuun Sovey. I am fifteen years old. I am the younger sister of Sovie. My story is the same as my sister. CWCC kidnap me same time as my sister. Force me to complain about 'Lucky' (Bart Lauwaert). He, the only man in the world, used to help my family. He want to do good deed - help the poor people. But CWCC no good. Promise money a lot to my mother and say (if) I do not do as they say they will put me and my family in the Prison. I want Lucky to have freedom. I angry CWCC lie a lot (and) destroy my family. Now nobody have the food. Please help!
Sovey
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004.
3. Puung Lika's letter
Hello, people of the world, all together! My name is Srey Lika and I am seventeen years old. More than two ears ago the police and CWCC came to my village and grab my body (abduct). They then take me to the house of CWCC. They tell me must stay there by law - they say must help them get the money from Australian government. They force me to accuse my friend and teacher - to say he rape me. This not true. 'Lucky' (Bart Lauwaert) is same like monk. For six months CWCC make me sleep on floor in their office. They teach me say many bad things about Lucky at trial. I very, very angry them. You know I very ashamed to speak but this organization take me to doctor to check my virginity. I don't want to go . . . but I very afraid them. After six months they send me back to my aunt not give me anything! Both my parents dead - only have my aunt very old. Nobody my village want marry with me now. What I do? Somebody have good heart. Please help me and my aunt.
Srey Lika
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004. (Srey Lika means 'Girl Lika)
4. Praem Laum's letter
My name is Praem Laum and I am eighteen years old. I live at Keing Doong Kum Level village - Siem Reap Province. In August 2002 (?) grabbed me and locked me away in their detention place for six months. They abuse me and want me to complain against Bart and Clinton. They said: Do that! Take the money! But he Lucky (Bart)/Clinton never did this action (against the law). CWCC broke the law many, many times. CWCC same as criminals. Now my family same like prisoners because we are so poor we have nothing to eat. Please we beg the foreigners for help to us.
Praem Laum
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
5. Nuon Sokhom's letter
My name is Nuon Sokhom. Hello there! In august 2002 the CWCC arrested me (without warrant) and took me to their Prison. At their place they abused me because they wanted to force a complaint against Lucky (Bart). They want me to answer that Lucky raped me - They said if I do (say) like that I will get a lot of money! But Lucky never did anything at all! CWCC is wrong with the law already! (They) kidnap the small children then put in place same like prison. Now my family very, very poor. We do not have any food because we don't have a father - only our mother. So please I beg all the foreigners to help my family.
Nuon Sokhom
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
6. Pat Srey Poev's letter
My name is Paad Srey Pou. I am twelve years old and live in Puung Kedoong village, Siem Reap Province. I want to tell you about the CWCC. This organization took me to their Prison for six months stay inside. Every seven days they gave me eight cents (= 300 Riel)!!!. They never allowed me outside. Now my father is very sick and is in hospital. Please help us so I can help my father.
Thank you.
Paad Srey Pou
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
7. Pream Lieo's letter
My name is Pream Liew (sister of Praem Laum). I am thirteen years old. My village is Keing Doong Kum Level village - Siem Reap Province. On the 2nd of August 2002 (?) came and kidnapped me and took me to their holding centre. We were not allowed to go anywhere for six months! They treat me badly (abuse) and want me to answer that Bart raped me! They said that if I did like this I would get a lot of money but he (Lucky) not guilty at all! CWCC break the law very, very much. CWCC treats like prisoners. My family is now so poor we really don't have any food to eat at all. I beg the foreigners to help us.
Pream Liew
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
8. Run Raun's letter
My name is Roen Raan (sister of Roen Srey Rie) and I am eighteen years old. When I worked at Lucky's (Clinton's)* house I was happy in my heart. Three months later the CWCC abducted me and took me to their place and forced me to say Lucky/Clint raped me but to tell the truth he never did anything. The CWCC knew this about Lucky. They knew he was a good person who always helped to feed the poor who had nothing to eat. I lost my mother three years ago. Please foreigners, help our family.
Run Rauns
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
*The two men shared a house briefly. The girls also confuse singular and plural in relation to the two men.
9. Run Srey Rie's letter
My name is Roen Srei Rie and I am sixteen years old. When I went to Lucky/Clinton's house I was very happy! Lucky/Clinton* is a very good person(s) who never rape children at all! On Tuesday 12th August 2002 the organization CWCC kidnapped me - I was taken to their place. They (CWCC) forced me to say Lucky raped me. But Lucky never rape me. No! When the CWCC interrogate me I tell them he is a good person who helps the poor who have no food at all. Please I ask the foreigners to help me! The CWCC took me to their centre and made me (against my will) stay there for six months and me, Roen Srei Rie, lost my mother three years ago already.
Roen Srei Rie
(translated from Khmer) 30 October 2004
*The two men shared a house briefly. The girls also confuse singular and plural in relation to the two men.
Graham's defense witnesses
Bart/Clint supporters
An interview with 2 girls and mother
Part 1.
Part 2
Part 3
Girls letter to King
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Ten girls sign letter to King.
Graham document
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Girls write to Prime Minister
Part 1.
Part 2.
100 villagers sign petition
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Eight not silenced
The eight not allowed to give evidence in court for Graham
Graham writes to King
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Rudolf Knuchel being arrested.
See bare shoulder and arm as he is taken from his room. Arrows pointing to journalists.
The police celebrate at the station within earshot of Rudolf. See journalist and a woman from the CWCC sitting on left.
Close up of a 'journalist' celebrating with the police
from website http://www.ectopia.org/
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A lot of information on that website and associated links that (albeit biasely) paints a horror story of corruption and a VERY unfortunate chain of events for the accused.
I can quite easily see how the entire CWCC charges could be false. But also wonder why the girls employed at one of the accused houses were regularly given 3-month contraception injections.
Nothing in this country is black and white... poor bastards...
I can quite easily see how the entire CWCC charges could be false. But also wonder why the girls employed at one of the accused houses were regularly given 3-month contraception injections.
Nothing in this country is black and white... poor bastards...
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sadly its all very true,I m not saying these men are angels ,but I would be trhuly scared living in cambodia now,I wish to thank mr trafficpolice for his excellent article,Because its very difficult to get any news about bart.
He is a good person thought ,Studying meditation,still how long can he survive?I m extreemly angry at the australian embassy for refusing to help him.
I can only conclude that australia is doing some very funny business indeed,
Once again,think long and hard about living there .
graham knows cambodia better then anyone,still he got life
bart got 34 years!!!!!!!!34 years in a cambodian prison!!!!!
His problems started because he had words with the directrice of the CWCC
Who's ,surprise,surprise'the sister of the judge who promised to bury bart alive,and so he did!
Also indeed nothing is black or white in cambodia.
But one thing is clear bart is totally innocent of what he is convicted for,and there for his cionviction should be overturned and he should be freed inmiedietatly!!!!!!
He is a good person thought ,Studying meditation,still how long can he survive?I m extreemly angry at the australian embassy for refusing to help him.
I can only conclude that australia is doing some very funny business indeed,
Once again,think long and hard about living there .
graham knows cambodia better then anyone,still he got life
bart got 34 years!!!!!!!!34 years in a cambodian prison!!!!!
His problems started because he had words with the directrice of the CWCC
Who's ,surprise,surprise'the sister of the judge who promised to bury bart alive,and so he did!
Also indeed nothing is black or white in cambodia.
But one thing is clear bart is totally innocent of what he is convicted for,and there for his cionviction should be overturned and he should be freed inmiedietatly!!!!!!
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graham got 20 years+ ,same as bart,the reason I wrote life is because he is 56 years old(I think)and so its a life-sentence.
And yes of course ,keep a low profile ect...But if you believe you are safe by doing nothing wrong!BEWARE!!!I always thought you had to do something wrong to get arrested in asia,but I m wrong,nobody is safe for the moment in cambodia,maybe in a few years,but I m scared,I wish you all much luck
And yes of course ,keep a low profile ect...But if you believe you are safe by doing nothing wrong!BEWARE!!!I always thought you had to do something wrong to get arrested in asia,but I m wrong,nobody is safe for the moment in cambodia,maybe in a few years,but I m scared,I wish you all much luck
Something needs saying here.
Bart had a very big reputation in Phnom Penh before he moved out to Siem Reap and that reputation was not a good one. He was very well known for his taste in underage girls which he did fuck all to deny.
Yeah....his jail time and trial are both things that seem flawed but c'mon...the dude WAS messing around with young girls.
Dunno about Cleghorn though.
Bart had a very big reputation in Phnom Penh before he moved out to Siem Reap and that reputation was not a good one. He was very well known for his taste in underage girls which he did fuck all to deny.
Yeah....his jail time and trial are both things that seem flawed but c'mon...the dude WAS messing around with young girls.
Dunno about Cleghorn though.
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Well if this is thruth what you say,then I must say that many ,many people said the oppposite and that you are the first person to say something like that;Still he s been gonne for more then 2and a half years.
So where do you get this gossip?????.
Wouldn(t someone say the same about you if you went thru the same he went through?
The truth in cambodia is a very funny thing
Anyway if it is thru what you say ,how come that no one can be found to say your allegations are thru.
No-one has spoken one bad word about him,from his head teachers to all the people he knew,There is a difference in having a reputation,and what is the truth,if you know bart ,feel free to contact me and speak about this.
But please ,if you only heard things like this do not believe them.
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So where do you get this gossip?????.
Wouldn(t someone say the same about you if you went thru the same he went through?
The truth in cambodia is a very funny thing
Anyway if it is thru what you say ,how come that no one can be found to say your allegations are thru.
No-one has spoken one bad word about him,from his head teachers to all the people he knew,There is a difference in having a reputation,and what is the truth,if you know bart ,feel free to contact me and speak about this.
But please ,if you only heard things like this do not believe them.
thank you
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Bart lived in PP for lots of years and never even denied the fact that he liked young girls. 50 or more long term expats would tell you that. Bart was FAMOUS for liking underaged girls.
The other cases I don't know about.
There is a hell of a lot of injustice in this country but Bart getting nailed for getting his rocks off with 13/14 yr old girls was no big surprise to anybody.
Bart lived in PP for lots of years and never even denied the fact that he liked young girls. 50 or more long term expats would tell you that. Bart was FAMOUS for liking underaged girls.
The other cases I don't know about.
There is a hell of a lot of injustice in this country but Bart getting nailed for getting his rocks off with 13/14 yr old girls was no big surprise to anybody.
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Have to echo the sentiments of Paul Pot on this one.
There has also been a long and exhaustive debate on this subject before in the Speakeasy but it may have been deleted as the archives (I believe) have not been redone after the handover.
Anyway, Bart was legendary for his delight in sampling young girls.
Furthermore, he spent some time in Battambang and even now the expats still talk of him with some distaste. I was not here when he was but I have had a number of conversations with people and his name has come up. At that point people have looked down and said, "Er, yes, he did have a bit of a problem with young girls."
I didn't know him and didn't see anything but the people who said this are not the type for idle gossip. Painting this guy as innocent helps nobody.
I believe the age of consent here is 16.
Truthseeker, I understand that you are close to this situation and it must be extremely hard but I would rather not sugar coat the situation.
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There has also been a long and exhaustive debate on this subject before in the Speakeasy but it may have been deleted as the archives (I believe) have not been redone after the handover.
Anyway, Bart was legendary for his delight in sampling young girls.
Furthermore, he spent some time in Battambang and even now the expats still talk of him with some distaste. I was not here when he was but I have had a number of conversations with people and his name has come up. At that point people have looked down and said, "Er, yes, he did have a bit of a problem with young girls."
I didn't know him and didn't see anything but the people who said this are not the type for idle gossip. Painting this guy as innocent helps nobody.
I believe the age of consent here is 16.
Truthseeker, I understand that you are close to this situation and it must be extremely hard but I would rather not sugar coat the situation.
VOX
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Well it certainly is the first time I read this about bart.
I find it very difficult to believe that he would sleep with girls who are underage,
After appaering in loads of newspapers,its easy to say that he did this or that about him.
Still the fact remains that he has been jailed for things that never happended,
If it is thru what you say ,how come ,he never got charged ,that no-one took him to court?(since all the witnesses withdrew their statements and declared they gave false ones in the first place (see inquisition21) in his case.
I think he knew the law and didn't break it.
So hey if he really did what you say ,well he should have been arrested for that!
The fact is that he cannot defend himself against gossip,And he cannot even write or get letters from family or friends.
Feel free to write to me about this subject ,but please gossip like this will destroy him further ,there is no need for that,
I mean how do you know this?
From all the countries I have been,I never heard so much b'shit as in cambodia,
Still I m shocked to hear this,so how do you know this ,where you there?
I find it very difficult to believe that he would sleep with girls who are underage,
After appaering in loads of newspapers,its easy to say that he did this or that about him.
Still the fact remains that he has been jailed for things that never happended,
If it is thru what you say ,how come ,he never got charged ,that no-one took him to court?(since all the witnesses withdrew their statements and declared they gave false ones in the first place (see inquisition21) in his case.
I think he knew the law and didn't break it.
So hey if he really did what you say ,well he should have been arrested for that!
The fact is that he cannot defend himself against gossip,And he cannot even write or get letters from family or friends.
Feel free to write to me about this subject ,but please gossip like this will destroy him further ,there is no need for that,
I mean how do you know this?
From all the countries I have been,I never heard so much b'shit as in cambodia,
Still I m shocked to hear this,so how do you know this ,where you there?
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