Is Cambodia Poised to Become the Next Thailand?
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Is Cambodia Poised to Become the Next Thailand?
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Cambodia saw five million international tourists in 2016.
Still modest compared to neighboring Thailand’s 30 million international arrivals last year, the number is nonetheless impressive for a still-developing tourism industry. Cambodia’s tourism growth has been steady.
http://www.travelpulse.com/news/destina ... iland.html
Cambodia saw five million international tourists in 2016.
Still modest compared to neighboring Thailand’s 30 million international arrivals last year, the number is nonetheless impressive for a still-developing tourism industry. Cambodia’s tourism growth has been steady.
http://www.travelpulse.com/news/destina ... iland.html
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People said this in the 90s and it was correct - Cambodia has as many tourists now as Thailand did in the mid 90s.
So it's a silly story because Cambodia will never catch up to Thailand, or any other SE Asian country, and in 20 years it'll have 30 million visitors but Thailand will have 60 million. (As an example)
Anyway. Vietnam is the next Thailand, or maybe Myanmar.
So it's a silly story because Cambodia will never catch up to Thailand, or any other SE Asian country, and in 20 years it'll have 30 million visitors but Thailand will have 60 million. (As an example)
Anyway. Vietnam is the next Thailand, or maybe Myanmar.
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There are only so many hipsters and Angkor Wat is pretty filled up. The money is in semi drunken middle and working class families on 2 weeks vacation (package or individual) who gladly pay $5 for a VB or Heineken because it's still cheaper than home, and besides they hate going abroad. They just want their rainy England or north Scandinavian country to heat up a little and get more sun. These families think it's a great deal to pay more for everything than back home because now You get a little sunshine.
And what Cambodia lacks is nice beach resorts, so I think clean up SHV a little, install some fast food joints and regulate the Chinese (to avoid scaring away the Western families) and Cambodia might have a gold mine. Beach chairs, water scooters and parasailing is of course a must. Due toe the undeveloped status of the nation, they also must take care of the transfer from Pochentong to SHV, modern tour buses with cold beer and fries will do. Or go grand and build SHV International in the future. If going down the Chinese route, then cheap bai ju, blaring music, restaurants with tables seating 10-20 people and of course menus for CNY88 and CNY888 is da shit to get rich quick. Then build a go-go area so dad has something to do while mum takes the daughters to the LV store and the massage parlor. Probably they also need a better electricity supply to power all the neon. but the Chinese is the future.
And what Cambodia lacks is nice beach resorts, so I think clean up SHV a little, install some fast food joints and regulate the Chinese (to avoid scaring away the Western families) and Cambodia might have a gold mine. Beach chairs, water scooters and parasailing is of course a must. Due toe the undeveloped status of the nation, they also must take care of the transfer from Pochentong to SHV, modern tour buses with cold beer and fries will do. Or go grand and build SHV International in the future. If going down the Chinese route, then cheap bai ju, blaring music, restaurants with tables seating 10-20 people and of course menus for CNY88 and CNY888 is da shit to get rich quick. Then build a go-go area so dad has something to do while mum takes the daughters to the LV store and the massage parlor. Probably they also need a better electricity supply to power all the neon. but the Chinese is the future.
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Families in the northern hemisphere do not go on holiday anywhere in SE Asia. They go to Spain (17 million from UK last year), Italy or Greece, and maybe as far as Egypt.
Unless they are on an extended trip, say two months, then they do come here.
It's backpackers, gap-year students, expats and a few workers. That's it. That's all it's ever bean since the 60s man!
And Chinese.
Unless they are on an extended trip, say two months, then they do come here.
It's backpackers, gap-year students, expats and a few workers. That's it. That's all it's ever bean since the 60s man!
And Chinese.
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hennessy wrote:God help us
Cambodia saw five million international tourists in 2016.
Still modest compared to neighboring Thailand’s 30 million international arrivals last year, the number is nonetheless impressive for a still-developing tourism industry. Cambodia’s tourism growth has been steady.
http://www.travelpulse.com/news/destina ... iland.html
But most of tourist to Cambodia are ONLY going to Angkor, are Chinese or Koreans (both groups on package tours)Cambodia has as many tourists now as Thailand did in the mid 90s.
Or Vietnamese
Bet its at least 50%
Cambodia, i would bet gets very few repeat tourists unlike thailand, once u have seen Angkor, been to pp and been disgusted by SHV, why return?
Personally bet Myanmar surpasses Cambodia in 2-3 years easily
Thailand averaged
1990; 5.3 million
1995; 6,99 million
2009; 5.89
2016; 32, 588 million
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Just hope the mongers don't take over like they did in Pattaya, there is nothing wrong with red light districts but taking over a entire city is a bit too much.
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popeyesretreat wrote:Just hope the mongers don't take over like they did in Pattaya, there is nothing wrong with red light districts but taking over a entire city is a bit too much.
If that was ever going to happen it would have happened way back. This country isn't actually particularly attractive to mongers anymore. Apparently it's gotten way too expensive. Good.
The problem with Cambodian tourism, even though the numbers keep going up year on year, is that the marketing sucks. People come to see the temples near Siem Reap, that's some pretty cool shit there but it's not all there is. People drop by the capital, where the main attractions are an old school that was mainly used to interrogate and torture Khmer Rouge cadres, and the execution site where them and their families ended up. There's the palace of course, which isn't actually that old, and Wat Phnom, that is old but has been plastered over so many times as to be virtually unrecognizable. The area around post-office square could look really nice with a bit of cleaning up, but other than the wonderful rivers Phnom Penh isn't really that impressive for the casual visitor. No foreigner is going to be impressed by Koh Pich, Aeon or TK Plaza.
I think they are working on it though, so give it a bit more time and it'll all be good....
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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That's not really true. Families are going Thailand/SEA from Europe more and more each year. For example in most northern European countries visits to Mediterranean countries has been in decline when same time visits to Thailand has been growing. Visits to Egypt has been plummeting in last couple years.YaTingPom wrote:Families in the northern hemisphere do not go on holiday anywhere in SE Asia. They go to Spain (17 million from UK last year), Italy or Greece, and maybe as far as Egypt.
Unless they are on an extended trip, say two months, then they do come here.
It's backpackers, gap-year students, expats and a few workers. That's it. That's all it's ever bean since the 60s man!
And Chinese.
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From an American perspective, almost nobody recognizes Cambodia. It is still a very exotic destination. People who want sun can go to Florida, California, or the sunbelt (if they don't live there already) and a European vacation package is still far more appealing to the average person. I know one person in my entire circle who went to Thailand, but he is an amateur fighter who has been to Brazil for BJJ and Thailand for Muay Thai.
I know of nobody who has been to Cambodia except myself. When I tell people I study Khmer, it is still commonly confused with Thai, Tagalog, or even a dialect of Chinese.
If Cambodia wants more tourists, taking them from this hemisphere will probably be a hard sell.
I know of nobody who has been to Cambodia except myself. When I tell people I study Khmer, it is still commonly confused with Thai, Tagalog, or even a dialect of Chinese.
If Cambodia wants more tourists, taking them from this hemisphere will probably be a hard sell.
Americans. That doesn't surprise me whatsoever.
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I disagree with this. Every few months I know someone from the states passing through Cambodia. I also oftentimes get an email or FB message from a friend who's friend is coming and they want to introduce us. I once posted that Europeans will pick a place and explore it for a few weeks; I've met several young (30ish) European couples that have come to Cambodia for 2-3 weeks to explore. The American route normally goes something like this: Fly into Hanoi and visit Halong Bay, jump over to Siem Reap, and then Bangkok, Chang Mai, and Phuket, and back to the states, all in about 10 days. Sometimes they pass through Phnom Penh for a night.merchantsmutual wrote:From an American perspective, almost nobody recognizes Cambodia. It is still a very exotic destination. People who want sun can go to Florida, California, or the sunbelt (if they don't live there already) and a European vacation package is still far more appealing to the average person. I know one person in my entire circle who went to Thailand, but he is an amateur fighter who has been to Brazil for BJJ and Thailand for Muay Thai.
I know of nobody who has been to Cambodia except myself. When I tell people I study Khmer, it is still commonly confused with Thai, Tagalog, or even a dialect of Chinese.
If Cambodia wants more tourists, taking them from this hemisphere will probably be a hard sell.
In one and half years, I've seen several friends here in Phnom Penh (one I hadn't seen in 10 years, but she had heard I lived here so emailed me before coming), a college professor and his family pass through, friends of friends, a few friends specifically came to visit me, and plenty of European friends passing through the area.
I am absolutely shocked that you live in NYC and only know one person who has been to Thailand (that you know of). Many many Americans your age have been to Thailand. I would also think that people your age (30ish) from NYC aren't going to Florida for sun so much as they are Mexico, Costa Rica, or somewhere in the islands. With the flight prices and allure, choosing Thailand (or any of SEA) over Mexico or CR isn't much of a stretch.
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I do not agree. Have travelled to Thailand since 1992 and since the mid-90's, families have been a staple everywhere outside Pattaya. And currently Pattaya is being sleazed down to cater to Chinese who typically travel as families.YaTingPom wrote:Families in the northern hemisphere do not go on holiday anywhere in SE Asia. They go to Spain (17 million from UK last year), Italy or Greece, and maybe as far as Egypt.
Unless they are on an extended trip, say two months, then they do come here.
It's backpackers, gap-year students, expats and a few workers. That's it. That's all it's ever bean since the 60s man!
And Chinese.
Check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand, about 3xx thousand Swedes, 7xx thousand French and 8xx thousand Germans in 2016. And they have purchasing power. Not all of them are sex tourists or hipsters, just visit Phuket and check it out for Yourself. And Nordic package tour operators has plenty of offers, typically these are for families.
What Cambodia needs is some nice places to relaxe where the standard and general level of development is decent. And for retirees there is a huge market to tap into if only medical services can be improved.
Cambodia - tickets booked, moved on to mission planning DONE
Mission completed, reported to Col Braddock. DONE
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As I said. Families do come here for extended trips, not for a couple of weeks - and those short breaks make up the majority of holidays for Northern European families. The majority of Europeans by far are young, expats or workers.
I never said they don't come here.
Again. UK visitors to Spain - 17 million. Uk visitors to Thailand circa 500k.
I don't doubt you know families that come here. I know a bloke who likes to wear nappies. Doesn't mean it's the norm! (People tend to gravitate to other people with similar interests, ie travel and nappy loving.)
I also disagree with your disagreeing with whatsisface about the US travels.
US visitors outnumber any other country, apart from Asian, but per capital it's a tiny amount.
Visitors in 2016 to Thailand.
US - 553,884. Population 325 million
UK - 499,341. Population 65 million
Isn't the there that fact people say that only 20% of Yanks have a passport?
Anyway. This is a list I found on the web from 2011, figures adjusted for population.
1. Australia - 1173
2. Canada - 1029
3. Germany - 943
4. England - 801
5. France - 636
6. Italy - 482
7. USA - 251
8. Russia - 227
9. Japan - 214
10. China - 54
Personally I think the Israelis should be up there.
In the 90s you'd always meet Dutch, Spanish, Germans and Brits. They love to conquer other continents still!
Don't forget that Canadians are big travelers and unless they have a big maple leaf stuck on their forehead we all assume they are Americans eh. Get oot!
I never said they don't come here.
Again. UK visitors to Spain - 17 million. Uk visitors to Thailand circa 500k.
I don't doubt you know families that come here. I know a bloke who likes to wear nappies. Doesn't mean it's the norm! (People tend to gravitate to other people with similar interests, ie travel and nappy loving.)
I also disagree with your disagreeing with whatsisface about the US travels.
US visitors outnumber any other country, apart from Asian, but per capital it's a tiny amount.
Visitors in 2016 to Thailand.
US - 553,884. Population 325 million
UK - 499,341. Population 65 million
Isn't the there that fact people say that only 20% of Yanks have a passport?
Anyway. This is a list I found on the web from 2011, figures adjusted for population.
1. Australia - 1173
2. Canada - 1029
3. Germany - 943
4. England - 801
5. France - 636
6. Italy - 482
7. USA - 251
8. Russia - 227
9. Japan - 214
10. China - 54
Personally I think the Israelis should be up there.
In the 90s you'd always meet Dutch, Spanish, Germans and Brits. They love to conquer other continents still!
Don't forget that Canadians are big travelers and unless they have a big maple leaf stuck on their forehead we all assume they are Americans eh. Get oot!
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What do those figures mean?YaTingPom wrote:
Isn't the there that fact people say that only 20% of Yanks have a passport?
Anyway. This is a list I found on the web from 2011, figures adjusted for population.
1. Australia - 1173
2. Canada - 1029
3. Germany - 943
4. England - 801
5. France - 636
6. Italy - 482
7. USA - 251
8. Russia - 227
9. Japan - 214
10. China - 54
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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