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Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Londo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:20 pm

Internations best and worst expat destination in 2017.

Though there’s consistency in the bottom 3, the warm welcome in Bahrain, Costa Rica, and Mexico sees them knock 2016’s winners off the podium.
None of 2016’s top 3 retained their spot in 2017; little change in the bottom 3.

#1 Bahrain leaps from 19th to 1st due to ease of settling in and career satisfaction.
#2 Costa Rica’s warm welcome and pura vida vibe see it take second place.
#3 Mexico remains a favorite; expats find it easy to settle and good value for money.



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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Hanno » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:08 pm

I expect Cambodia to drop a fair bit in the rankings with the change in visa laws.....
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby kansaicanuck » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:12 pm

Hanno wrote:I expect Cambodia to drop a fair bit in the rankings with the change in visa laws.....

Probably bound to happen with the uncertainties in the political climate in the near future, the visa laws will make that worse too.

Thailand is ranked quite low as well. That must be due to the political stuff over there more than visa laws.
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Alexandra » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:36 pm

Greece must be a hell hole if it's worse than Nigeria. I get the feeling they're just pulling these numbers out their asses.

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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Fred Edwards » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:56 pm

the UK overrated yet again
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby oasisbarhatien » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:29 am

Interesting to see that Vietnam is ranked no 12 -I can see it getting even higher next year,I've lived in Cambodia,Thailand and now Vietnam,and much prefer it here.The cost of living is lower,the people friendly and strangely enough,the bureaucracy less than I feared,and it's getting easier
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Dahon » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:34 am

oasisbarhatien wrote:Interesting to see that Vietnam is ranked no 12 -I can see it getting even higher next year,I've lived in Cambodia,Thailand and now Vietnam,and much prefer it here.The cost of living is lower,the people friendly and strangely enough,the bureaucracy less than I feared,and it's getting easier

What about visas? I hear there are only short term visas available for non-employed, retirees and similar and that the authorities seem to tolerate
endless visa runs. Any long term options for the non-working people?
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Miguelito » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:14 am

Alexandra wrote:Greece must be a hell hole if it's worse than Nigeria. I get the feeling they're just pulling these numbers out their asses.

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The Greek islands are great, and not too pricey -- although they are pricier than they should be as they're on the Euro.

Greece ranks low because it's hard to find good employment; but Costa Rica ranks high with a lot of retirees. So, there is certainly no consistency in these rankings. If Greece was full of retired British expats that didn't need to find a job (seemingly like other countries on the list), instead of younger people that want to work, than Greece would rank higher.
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby YaTingPom » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:43 am

Fred Edwards wrote:the UK overrated yet again

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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby oasisbarhatien » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:23 am

Dahon wrote:
oasisbarhatien wrote:Interesting to see that Vietnam is ranked no 12 -I can see it getting even higher next year,I've lived in Cambodia,Thailand and now Vietnam,and much prefer it here.The cost of living is lower,the people friendly and strangely enough,the bureaucracy less than I feared,and it's getting easier

What about visas? I hear there are only short term visas available for non-employed, retirees and similar and that the authorities seem to tolerate
endless visa runs. Any long term options for the non-working people?


As I am married to a Vietnamese I am eligible for a 5 year visa exemption certificate,which costs 20USD for 5 years.Only caveat is that I must leave Vietnam every 6 months or go to Immigration for a 6 month extension stamp,which is 10USD.I know several people who are living here,who get a 3 month single entry visa from the consulate in Sihanoukville-which costs about 60USD,then repeat every 3 months.I haven't heard of anyone having problems (yet) with this back to back visa run situation.AFAIK there are currently no long term visas for non workers,but as things here can change fairly quickly,and usually for the better I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of long term option became available
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby violet » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:36 am

Miguelito wrote:
Alexandra wrote:Greece must be a hell hole if it's worse than Nigeria. I get the feeling they're just pulling these numbers out their asses.

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The Greek islands are great, and not too pricey -- although they are pricier than they should be as they're on the Euro.

Greece ranks low because it's hard to find good employment; but Costa Rica ranks high with a lot of retirees. So, there is certainly no consistency in these rankings. If Greece was full of retired British expats that didn't need to find a job (seemingly like other countries on the list), instead of younger people that want to work, than Greece would rank higher.

Wouldn't Greece also rank low due to it having to be financially bailed out two or three times and it having been a major stopping off point for refugee immigrants in recent years?
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby rl66 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:41 pm

I lived in Nigeria for 5 years, I'm not disputing their ranking. Nice airport bar when you're leaving.
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Miguelito » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:43 pm

violet wrote:
Miguelito wrote:
Alexandra wrote:Greece must be a hell hole if it's worse than Nigeria. I get the feeling they're just pulling these numbers out their asses.

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The Greek islands are great, and not too pricey -- although they are pricier than they should be as they're on the Euro.

Greece ranks low because it's hard to find good employment; but Costa Rica ranks high with a lot of retirees. So, there is certainly no consistency in these rankings. If Greece was full of retired British expats that didn't need to find a job (seemingly like other countries on the list), instead of younger people that want to work, than Greece would rank higher.

Wouldn't Greece also rank low due to it having to be financially bailed out two or three times and it having been a major stopping off point for refugee immigrants in recent years?


I don't see why their government's budget problems would have an effect on how it ranks as an expat destination. As for the migrant crisis (I will use the term migrant, as the BBC does: "The BBC uses the term migrant to refer to all people on the move who have yet to complete the legal process of claiming asylum. This group includes people fleeing war-torn countries such as Syria, who are likely to be granted refugee status, as well as people who are seeking jobs and better lives, who governments are likely to rule are economic migrants."), again it doesn't really pose any hardships on expats living there. At the height of the migrants entering Greece I spent two weeks between the Turkish coast and the Greek islands. I did see many migrants in Greece, where they would set up small tent cities near the main ferry ports. They had zero desire to stay on those Greek islands, nor did the Greek government have a desire to keep them there. They would register themselves in, and then be on a ferry onwards. They didn't bother anyone, and certainly wouldn't affect any expats there.
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Dahon » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:13 pm

Miguelito wrote:
violet wrote:
Miguelito wrote:
Alexandra wrote:Greece must be a hell hole if it's worse than Nigeria. I get the feeling they're just pulling these numbers out their asses.

Bless


The Greek islands are great, and not too pricey -- although they are pricier than they should be as they're on the Euro.

Greece ranks low because it's hard to find good employment; but Costa Rica ranks high with a lot of retirees. So, there is certainly no consistency in these rankings. If Greece was full of retired British expats that didn't need to find a job (seemingly like other countries on the list), instead of younger people that want to work, than Greece would rank higher.

Wouldn't Greece also rank low due to it having to be financially bailed out two or three times and it having been a major stopping off point for refugee immigrants in recent years?


I don't see why their government's budget problems would have an effect on how it ranks as an expat destination. As for the migrant crisis (I will use the term migrant, as the BBC does: "The BBC uses the term migrant to refer to all people on the move who have yet to complete the legal process of claiming asylum. This group includes people fleeing war-torn countries such as Syria, who are likely to be granted refugee status, as well as people who are seeking jobs and better lives, who governments are likely to rule are economic migrants."), again it doesn't really pose any hardships on expats living there. At the height of the migrants entering Greece I spent two weeks between the Turkish coast and the Greek islands. I did see many migrants in Greece, where they would set up small tent cities near the main ferry ports. They had zero desire to stay on those Greek islands, nor did the Greek government have a desire to keep them there. They would register themselves in, and then be on a ferry onwards. They didn't bother anyone, and certainly wouldn't affect any expats there.

Then You are a bit naïve. Sweden, the undisputed Emperor of humanitarian super powers, has turned down the benefits to match EU levels. We are also trying (though this had been difficult due to ultra-naïve politicians) to reduce the influx of new migrants. Germany is doing the same. Austria has rather verbosely threatened to build walls to certain nations if the first ports of arrival (Greece and Italy) keep on sending people further north instead of registering them and providing for them.

This will eventually lead to a buffering up of desperate people in Greece and Italy, and to a lesser extent in Spain with very little hope for any future. And those nations are in no position to provide the life that the people arriving had hoped for. Add to this the problems already facing most EU countries due to free movements within the Schengen area. You mention that they registered and then were on a ferry onward, but registering is usually the last thing they want to to since registering in Greece by the Dublin convention prevents them from being granted asylum status in Sweden or Germany. We nowadays check against the EU database even though lenient immigration officers sometimes look the other way.

A great example of what can happen when You have too much influx of desperate people without any ability or power to give them a life is Lebanon in the 1970's. Or maybe the suburbs in Birmingham. And remember that the EU still receives a lot of people that noone knows what to do with. This usually does not bode well for the future.
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Re: Cambodia Ranked 24th Top Expat Destination 2017

Postby Miguelito » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:19 pm

Dahon wrote:
Miguelito wrote:
violet wrote:
Miguelito wrote:
Alexandra wrote:Greece must be a hell hole if it's worse than Nigeria. I get the feeling they're just pulling these numbers out their asses.

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The Greek islands are great, and not too pricey -- although they are pricier than they should be as they're on the Euro.

Greece ranks low because it's hard to find good employment; but Costa Rica ranks high with a lot of retirees. So, there is certainly no consistency in these rankings. If Greece was full of retired British expats that didn't need to find a job (seemingly like other countries on the list), instead of younger people that want to work, than Greece would rank higher.

Wouldn't Greece also rank low due to it having to be financially bailed out two or three times and it having been a major stopping off point for refugee immigrants in recent years?


I don't see why their government's budget problems would have an effect on how it ranks as an expat destination. As for the migrant crisis (I will use the term migrant, as the BBC does: "The BBC uses the term migrant to refer to all people on the move who have yet to complete the legal process of claiming asylum. This group includes people fleeing war-torn countries such as Syria, who are likely to be granted refugee status, as well as people who are seeking jobs and better lives, who governments are likely to rule are economic migrants."), again it doesn't really pose any hardships on expats living there. At the height of the migrants entering Greece I spent two weeks between the Turkish coast and the Greek islands. I did see many migrants in Greece, where they would set up small tent cities near the main ferry ports. They had zero desire to stay on those Greek islands, nor did the Greek government have a desire to keep them there. They would register themselves in, and then be on a ferry onwards. They didn't bother anyone, and certainly wouldn't affect any expats there.

Then You are a bit naïve. Sweden, the undisputed Emperor of humanitarian super powers, has turned down the benefits to match EU levels. We are also trying (though this had been difficult due to ultra-naïve politicians) to reduce the influx of new migrants. Germany is doing the same. Austria has rather verbosely threatened to build walls to certain nations if the first ports of arrival (Greece and Italy) keep on sending people further north instead of registering them and providing for them.

This will eventually lead to a buffering up of desperate people in Greece and Italy, and to a lesser extent in Spain with very little hope for any future. And those nations are in no position to provide the life that the people arriving had hoped for. Add to this the problems already facing most EU countries due to free movements within the Schengen area. You mention that they registered and then were on a ferry onward, but registering is usually the last thing they want to to since registering in Greece by the Dublin convention prevents them from being granted asylum status in Sweden or Germany. We nowadays check against the EU database even though lenient immigration officers sometimes look the other way.

A great example of what can happen when You have too much influx of desperate people without any ability or power to give them a life is Lebanon in the 1970's. Or maybe the suburbs in Birmingham. And remember that the EU still receives a lot of people that noone knows what to do with. This usually does not bode well for the future.


Please tell me what exactly I'm naive about, and how the "migrant crisis" would negatively affect your retirement in Greece, or your life as an expat owning a local moped rental shop on the island of Rhodos.

Yes, I said "registered" - I'm sure sure the exact technicalities, and they may not claim asylum in Greece but they still need to check in somehow to get the free ferry to Athens.
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