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Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby whiteboy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:30 pm

Although I'm a US citizen with a US passport, I will maybe obtain permanent residence here in Japan later this year. My question is will Cambodian immigration be confused by this or will they get it?

Just how backwards are they?

I know it is possible to purchase a certain type of visa upon arrival for cheap, but are there any catches to it?

Do you need to go from certain countries? Have certain passports?
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby Lucky Lucan » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:47 pm

Why are you calling immigration backwards?
You can only get 30 day visas in Cambodian embassies or on entry. Anything longer is an extension and you have to get them here.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby cyclingqueen » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:40 pm

Why would having Japanese residency confuse immigration? Even if they are "backward"
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby whiteboy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:52 pm

cyclingqueen wrote:Why would having Japanese residency confuse immigration? Even if they are "backward"


Well, I don't mean like to confuse them as in they won't understand anything at all but would they maybe wonder why a non-Japanese person with permanent residence wants to buy a work permit to stay in Cambodia for a while?

I can explain that I have an online business and would like to spend 3 to 4 months or more in Cambodia each year, but I would rather not.

They probably mostly have foreigners come to visit with tourist visas for sightseeing and people with my situation are probably rare.

I just thought if I apply for a work permit with long term status in Japan, it might make them suspicious or turn their heads.

I have never dealt with immigration in Cambodia before, so I thought I would ask on here.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby whiteboy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:01 pm

Lucky Lucan wrote:Why are you calling immigration backwards?
You can only get 30 day visas in Cambodian embassies or on entry. Anything longer is an extension and you have to get them here.


I apologize. I do not mean to come off as rude. So immigration in Cambodia maybe isn't backwards, but I thought I would ask because I have had a friend overstay his business visa by one just day (more like half a day) in China and Chinese immigration pulled him into a room for an interrogation that lasted about 20 minutes.

He explained that he accidentally washed his passport and the visa stamp was erased, so he needed to apply for a new passport which arrived, but he needed to fly to Hong Kong to get a new visa stamp. Even after explaining the situation and showed them evidence of the passport being put in the washing machine, they were so unreasonable with him and rude as well.

I'm not saying that Cambodian immigration is like this, but Cambodia is even less advanced that China...so I thought maybe these types of situations happen between foreigners and immigration there as well.

As for the work permits I came across this link: http://www.movetocambodia.com/working-i ... k-permits/

So the work permit isn't a visa, but are there any work visas that I could get through a company or would it just be the work permit that I could buy myself after arriving at the airport?
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby PSD_Kiwi » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:28 pm

Will you have a Japanese passport? If so, you could apply for 1,2 or 3 year Tourist visa (T1,T2,T3), or the 1-3 yr business visa (E1,E2,E3) from the cambodian Embassy in Japan.

I honestly don’t know much about these visas and their extensions, but I do know they’re available to Japanese pp holders...and now possibly Chinese and Seth Koreans (although I’m not sure whether the relevant MoUs have been signed yet).
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby Lucky Lucan » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:54 pm

whiteboy wrote:
Lucky Lucan wrote:Why are you calling immigration backwards?
You can only get 30 day visas in Cambodian embassies or on entry. Anything longer is an extension and you have to get them here.


I apologize. I do not mean to come off as rude. So immigration in Cambodia maybe isn't backwards, but I thought I would ask because I have had a friend overstay his business visa by one just day (more like half a day) in China and Chinese immigration pulled him into a room for an interrogation that lasted about 20 minutes.


Well I don't consider it backwards, any dealings I've ever had with them have been pleasant. I overstayed for 3 days in December while waiting for a new passport and it wasn't an issue, I just had to pay $30. A few days overstay will not even register, while a longer one, like 30 days or more can result in a deportation. That wasn't always the case.


So the work permit isn't a visa, but are there any work visas that I could get through a company or would it just be the work permit that I could buy myself after arriving at the airport?


The work permit is a completely different thing than a visa. A visa is just a note of permission to stay in a country. You need to have a valid visa and other paperwork to get a work permit but work permits are handled by the Ministry of Labor and Vocational Training while visas are handled by the Immigration Department which is under the Ministry of Interior.
To get a work permit in most cases you will need an E- Class visa first, which has been at times referred to as a Business Visa, and at other times as an Ordinary Visa (as opposed to a T-class or tourist visa). So this is probably where the confusion comes from, the simple E-class visa was easy to get and it was always referred to as being "infinitely extendable", or more accurately "indefinitely extendable", I tended to think of it as the latter. So now there are loads more stipulations and different classes of E-visas. It doesn't bother me as I'm in full time employment and the office gets it all sorted out for me. I wouldn't want to try and navigate the whole thing myself.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby whiteboy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:45 pm

Ok, yes ordinary visa was the name of the visa I read about a long time ago, but forgot the name of it.

Aren't people interested in working in Cambodia able to buy ordinary visas or other types of visas from the airport?

Maybe the laws have changed and this is no longer possible?
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby whiteboy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:48 pm

PSD_Kiwi wrote:Will you have a Japanese passport? If so, you could apply for 1,2 or 3 year Tourist visa (T1,T2,T3), or the 1-3 yr business visa (E1,E2,E3) from the cambodian Embassy in Japan.

I honestly don’t know much about these visas and their extensions, but I do know they’re available to Japanese pp holders...and now possibly Chinese and Seth Koreans (although I’m not sure whether the relevant MoUs have been signed yet).


I will have a US passport, since I can't obtain a Japanese passport until I obtain Japanese citizenship. That will be the next step I possibly take, but I will apply for permanent residence this year and see how that goes.

That is why I worry about confusion because although I have long-term/kind of permanent status in Japan, my passport will still be a US passport.

Then again, I might get even stranger looks being a white dude with Japanese citizenship and a Japanese passport?

Based on Lucky Lucan's experiences...immigration seems pretty chill.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby raendi » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:30 am

whiteboy wrote:I have an online business and would like to spend 3 to 4 months or more in Cambodia each year

Come to country take tourist visa and expand that one time so you can stay 2 months. If you want stay more, do border run.
Don't bother any immigration or labour officers with your online business (they don't understand remote work), work as usually.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby whiteboy » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:22 pm

raendi wrote:
whiteboy wrote:I have an online business and would like to spend 3 to 4 months or more in Cambodia each year

Come to country take tourist visa and expand that one time so you can stay 2 months. If you want stay more, do border run.
Don't bother any immigration or labour officers with your online business (they don't understand remote work), work as usually.


Well, yes I was thinking I could just do this but I have read a lot of horror stories of foreigners doing these border runs before.

I have done a few border runs to Erlian, which is a small town on the border of Inner Mongolia (China) and Outer Mongolia. I have never had any issues with that.

I read that sometimes border patrol will make you pay them a lot of money/basically rob you when you are at the border between Cambodia and Thailand? Do they still do this type nonsense?

That never happened to me during my China border runs and I did that like 3 times.

If border runs are not a hassle from Cambodia to Thailand/Laos or Vietnam, then I will have no problem just doing that.

If I fall in love with the country and say I'm divorced in the future, would it be possible to purchase any types of long-term visas on my own or will I literally have to go through an English school to obtain any of these visas?

If this is the case, I wouldn't mind at least purchasing a work permit to help me more easily score a job there. I will just go the tourist visa route unless I really want to stay long-term.

I know there are some foreigners living in SEA long-term but constantly doing border runs...which seems pretty annoying.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby raendi » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:08 pm

You're now confusing what happen to other countries and internet rumors about border runs.
In Cambodia nobody didn't need to do border runs if they don't want. All this is (rumor) going to be change on monday, since nobody can't get long visa extension anymore without work in Kingdom.
So maybe after one month from here you can read real Cambodian border run stories from here.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby whiteboy » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:50 pm

raendi wrote:You're now confusing what happen to other countries and internet rumors about border runs.
In Cambodia nobody didn't need to do border runs if they don't want. All this is (rumor) going to be change on monday, since nobody can't get long visa extension anymore without work in Kingdom.
So maybe after one month from here you can read real Cambodian border run stories from here.


That is good to know. So no matter what type of visa a foreigner in the Kingdom is on (travel, business, work, spouse) he/she must do border runs?

Wow, that really sucks. Does how often you need to do these border runs depend on the type of visa?

That was the case for me in China because sometimes I would end up stuck with 3 month business visas instead of the usual 6 month business visas because the visa laws change all the time.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby epidemiks » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:57 pm

No.
No one has to do border runs.
There is no spouse visa.
They don't care and won't know about your residency in Japan.
As of yesterday, you need to be employed by a local company or have a letter from a locally registered employer in order to get a non tourist visa extension.
You will need a work permit, but you can't just 'purchase' one. You need a job with a locally registered company to get one.
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Re: Can an expat in another country obtain a long term visa in Cambodia smoothly?

Postby ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:57 pm

You don’t really get it.
Border runs are not necessary. I have never done one in the whole time I have been here.
Border runs are only necessary for someone who is trying to play the system, has messed up their visa somehow - or in a few other exceptional cases.

There are plenty of threads on here about what visa to get and then how to extend it and what docs are required. (Although admittedly there are current developments which may change some things - but it isn’t yet clear)

I suggest that you Use the forum search function and do some reading. Questions like yours have been asked and answered loads of times in the past.
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