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Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote prangbait

by prangbait » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:06 am

tbh my 1 year in cambodia on the cv has been a great talking point in interviews, but i guess that's how i phrased it, and said i was under an NDA :D
tbh my 1 year in cambodia on the cv has been a great talking point in interviews, but i guess that's how i phrased it, and said i was under an NDA :D

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote Kachang

by Kachang » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:16 pm

air stone wrote:I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?
That doesn't include you - obviously - given your post. What does that tell you / me / us?
[quote="air stone"]I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?[/quote]

That doesn't include you - obviously - given your post. What does that tell you / me / us?

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote Felgerkarb

by Felgerkarb » Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:08 pm

air stone wrote:I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?
Then not worth knowing because all the best expats post here....and some of the worst....and then there's me...
[quote="air stone"]I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?[/quote]

Then not worth knowing because all the best expats post here....and some of the worst....and then there's me...

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote scobienz

by scobienz » Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:41 am

air stone wrote:I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?
Please feel free to join them.
[quote="air stone"]I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?[/quote]

Please feel free to join them.

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote flanostu

by flanostu » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:47 am

Having a career you're unsatisfied with is the killer. Left the 9-5 grind (the hrs were actually longer) 2yrs ago and so far no regrets. Become a digital nomad, get into the startup scene whether it's tech or something else, there's a few meet ups in Cambodia to regularly discuss projects and ideas.

If I fail and decide to go back into a banking, my old boss told me he'd hire someone like me as at least I tried something new. People still haven't recovered from the 2008 GFC and before I left banking we actually declined a well qualified former PHD lecturer in Finance as the role he was applying for was too low for him. That's how desperate people still are.

Both stigma and discrimination exists everywhere no matter where you've lived. Just the luck of the draw which employer is open minded or ignorant.
Having a career you're unsatisfied with is the killer. Left the 9-5 grind (the hrs were actually longer) 2yrs ago and so far no regrets. Become a digital nomad, get into the startup scene whether it's tech or something else, there's a few meet ups in Cambodia to regularly discuss projects and ideas.

If I fail and decide to go back into a banking, my old boss told me he'd hire someone like me as at least I tried something new. People still haven't recovered from the 2008 GFC and before I left banking we actually declined a well qualified former PHD lecturer in Finance as the role he was applying for was too low for him. That's how desperate people still are.

Both stigma and discrimination exists everywhere no matter where you've lived. Just the luck of the draw which employer is open minded or ignorant.

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote air stone

by air stone » Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:36 am

I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?
I have met some very intelligent people who I regularly meet with to discuss the kinds of things I have tried to bring up here in the past. As it turns out none of them post here. Coincidence?

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote JackRoad

by JackRoad » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:38 am

Kachang wrote:
air stone wrote:Sure am glad I was smart enough to make my own way in the world when I hear about the kind of shit you wage slaves go through for the "privilege" of working. Do they look up your asshole at the job interview too?
Welcome back Air Stone.

Has been a while.... Been busy?
locked up perhaps
[quote="Kachang"][quote="air stone"]Sure am glad I was smart enough to make my own way in the world when I hear about the kind of shit you wage slaves go through for the "privilege" of working. Do they look up your asshole at the job interview too?[/quote]

Welcome back Air Stone.

Has been a while.... Been busy?[/quote]

locked up perhaps

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote JackRoad

by JackRoad » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:36 am

john_q_public wrote:if you came to Cambodia as a young electronics engineer doing analog microchip design, you would not be able to build a career.
I'm not disputing you but this has probably never happened, ever. So random.
john_q_public wrote:Ninety percent (or more) of the chip design is done in the West. There would be no one to learn from in Cambodia. There are no facilities and no equipment. There are no companies in Cambodia which do such work.
Then you hit it out of the park. This applies to 90% of all jobs, the problem is Cambodia isn't a leader, so whereas it won't necessarily kill your career you will be seriously lacking current industry specific skills or knowledge when ou leave and the longer you stay the worse it gets.
[quote="john_q_public"]if you came to Cambodia as a young electronics engineer doing analog microchip design, you would not be able to build a career.[/quote]

I'm not disputing you but this has probably never happened, ever. So random.

[quote="john_q_public"]Ninety percent (or more) of the chip design is done in the West. There would be no one to learn from in Cambodia. There are no facilities and no equipment. There are no companies in Cambodia which do such work.[/quote]

Then you hit it out of the park. This applies to 90% of all jobs, the problem is Cambodia isn't a leader, so whereas it won't necessarily kill your career you will be seriously lacking current industry specific skills or knowledge when ou leave and the longer you stay the worse it gets.

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote john_q_public

by john_q_public » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:22 am

In my opinion, if you came to Cambodia as a young electronics engineer doing analog microchip design, you would not be able to build a career.

Ninety percent (or more) of the chip design is done in the West. There would be no one to learn from in Cambodia. There are no facilities and no equipment. There are no companies in Cambodia which do such work.

Better to stay in Silicon Valley until you retire if you want to design Silicon microchips.

There is manufacturing in Asia, but not much chip design (some in Singapore, Japan, and South Korea).

I don't know, but I would guess it would be difficult to develop a law career, a medical career, etc. out here.
In my opinion, if you came to Cambodia as a young electronics engineer doing analog microchip design, you would not be able to build a career.

Ninety percent (or more) of the chip design is done in the West. There would be no one to learn from in Cambodia. There are no facilities and no equipment. There are no companies in Cambodia which do such work.

Better to stay in Silicon Valley until you retire if you want to design Silicon microchips.

There is manufacturing in Asia, but not much chip design (some in Singapore, Japan, and South Korea).

I don't know, but I would guess it would be difficult to develop a law career, a medical career, etc. out here.

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote Kachang

by Kachang » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:03 pm

air stone wrote:Sure am glad I was smart enough to make my own way in the world when I hear about the kind of shit you wage slaves go through for the "privilege" of working. Do they look up your asshole at the job interview too?
Welcome back Air Stone.

Has been a while.... Been busy?
[quote="air stone"]Sure am glad I was smart enough to make my own way in the world when I hear about the kind of shit you wage slaves go through for the "privilege" of working. Do they look up your asshole at the job interview too?[/quote]

Welcome back Air Stone.

Has been a while.... Been busy?

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote air stone

by air stone » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:00 pm

Sure am glad I was smart enough to make my own way in the world when I hear about the kind of shit you wage slaves go through for the "privilege" of working. Do they look up your asshole at the job interview too?
Sure am glad I was smart enough to make my own way in the world when I hear about the kind of shit you wage slaves go through for the "privilege" of working. Do they look up your asshole at the job interview too?

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote Felgerkarb

by Felgerkarb » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:50 am

v12 wrote:
Felgerkarb wrote:
v12 wrote:The moment you want a job back in the west, requiring a (high) security clearance, forget it.

Such a security clearance will fail on the fact, you have been living for more then 3 months in a country where your local NSA equivalent won't exchange information with (and as such will not be able to obtain security relevant information about you).

As such, you will have a "gap" of 3+ months in your security history, which precludes you from obtaining the required security clearance. Job unreachable ....

This aspect is a pita for pilots flying in the middle east for one of the big middle east carriers. Because of the totalitarian and human rights violating regimes around there, these people have big problems to obtain a flying job outside the sandbox in a more civilized world for a western carrier, requiring a security clearance. It's not entirely impossible, though very difficult.

Untrue. 25 years here and always maintained a clearance. In fact, I still have one...although it expires soon and I am unwilling to pay to keep it active anymore. Big bucks contracts here are gone like the dodo bird.
Might be depending on your country of origin, the type of clearance and maybe even increased requirements since a couple of years.

What I refer to is a clearance for confidential/classified police, government, military, intelligence or secret services in Western Europe. The kind of clearance which costs $5K-25K to run through. Having a partner from a country, where background checks can not be done (Asia, Africa, ME) will get you the clearance denied (or taken away, the moment they find out about your changed situation).
I don't refer to the entry-level clearances for sensitive jobs in the social services area.

Same, same what WW refers to: The moment you have done more then 1-2 years in Asia in bottom line jobs, don't expect the fortune 500(0) to be interested in you, especially, when you are over 30.

I agree with your job points, but not on your clearance points.
[quote="v12"][quote="Felgerkarb"][quote="v12"]The moment you want a job back in the west, requiring a (high) security clearance, forget it.

Such a security clearance will fail on the fact, you have been living for more then 3 months in a country where your local NSA equivalent won't exchange information with (and as such will not be able to obtain security relevant information about you).

As such, you will have a "gap" of 3+ months in your security history, which precludes you from obtaining the required security clearance. Job unreachable ....

This aspect is a pita for pilots flying in the middle east for one of the big middle east carriers. Because of the totalitarian and human rights violating regimes around there, these people have big problems to obtain a flying job outside the sandbox in a more civilized world for a western carrier, requiring a security clearance. It's not entirely impossible, though very difficult.[/quote]


Untrue. 25 years here and always maintained a clearance. In fact, I still have one...although it expires soon and I am unwilling to pay to keep it active anymore. Big bucks contracts here are gone like the dodo bird.[/quote]
Might be depending on your country of origin, the type of clearance and maybe even increased requirements since a couple of years.

What I refer to is a clearance for confidential/classified police, government, military, intelligence or secret services in Western Europe. The kind of clearance which costs $5K-25K to run through. Having a partner from a country, where background checks can not be done (Asia, Africa, ME) will get you the clearance denied (or taken away, the moment they find out about your changed situation).
I don't refer to the entry-level clearances for sensitive jobs in the social services area.

Same, same what WW refers to: The moment you have done more then 1-2 years in Asia in bottom line jobs, don't expect the fortune 500(0) to be interested in you, especially, when you are over 30.[/quote]


I agree with your job points, but not on your clearance points.

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote Prahocprahoc

by Prahocprahoc » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:26 am

v12 wrote:
GonzoBobH wrote:
v12 wrote:The moment you want a job back in the west, requiring a (high) security clearance, forget it.

Such a security clearance will fail on the fact, you have been living for more then 3 months in a country where your local NSA equivalent won't exchange information with (and as such will not be able to obtain security relevant information about you).

As such, you will have a "gap" of 3+ months in your security history, which precludes you from obtaining the required security clearance. Job unreachable ....

This aspect is a pita for pilots flying in the middle east for one of the big middle east carriers. Because of the totalitarian and human rights violating regimes around there, these people have big problems to obtain a flying job outside the sandbox in a more civilized world for a western carrier, requiring a security clearance. It's not entirely impossible, though very difficult.
What's your country of citizenship, if you don't mind me asking? Curious, to be honest, as I'm not quite agreeing with you. Or are you taking aviation specific, or general national-level clearances? TS/SBI, etc.?

Danke,

GBH
Western Europe. It does apply for all jobs, where you are put under a magnifying glass. For airline people, you won't get your clearance to be allowed unaccompanied air-side at an airport, where ever in the world, especially western. That's the moment you won't get another flying job at a major or even a western regional.
I lived in Cambodia for ten years and now work for an airline in the U.S. They told me when they hired me the background check might take longer than normal. It only took about 4 days. I didn't have to have any police check from Cambodia. I have more access to the airport than pilots do and often have to escort them around the secure areas. I was surprised the process was so easy.
[quote="v12"][quote="GonzoBobH"][quote="v12"]The moment you want a job back in the west, requiring a (high) security clearance, forget it.

Such a security clearance will fail on the fact, you have been living for more then 3 months in a country where your local NSA equivalent won't exchange information with (and as such will not be able to obtain security relevant information about you).

As such, you will have a "gap" of 3+ months in your security history, which precludes you from obtaining the required security clearance. Job unreachable ....

This aspect is a pita for pilots flying in the middle east for one of the big middle east carriers. Because of the totalitarian and human rights violating regimes around there, these people have big problems to obtain a flying job outside the sandbox in a more civilized world for a western carrier, requiring a security clearance. It's not entirely impossible, though very difficult.[/quote]

What's your country of citizenship, if you don't mind me asking? Curious, to be honest, as I'm not quite agreeing with you. Or are you taking aviation specific, or general national-level clearances? TS/SBI, etc.?

Danke,

GBH[/quote]
Western Europe. It does apply for all jobs, where you are put under a magnifying glass. For airline people, you won't get your clearance to be allowed unaccompanied air-side at an airport, where ever in the world, especially western. That's the moment you won't get another flying job at a major or even a western regional.[/quote]

I lived in Cambodia for ten years and now work for an airline in the U.S. They told me when they hired me the background check might take longer than normal. It only took about 4 days. I didn't have to have any police check from Cambodia. I have more access to the airport than pilots do and often have to escort them around the secure areas. I was surprised the process was so easy.

Re: Is Cambodia a career killer?

  • Quote ca&tw

by ca&tw » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:07 am

Is cambodia a career killer?
In my, for once humble opinion, yes, as a matter of fact i think it is. It's like writing on your CV i worked 3 years in Mali watching desert goats mate. Cambodia is stigmatized and will remain so for a long time.
Unless you're achieving something unique that's gonna make it to CNN, i think you've wasted possibly valuable time here.

Take a guy like AIA, not too ambitious, apparently happily married for quite a few years, you'd think it was the right choice.

What is a career anyways? Think about it
Is cambodia a career killer?
In my, for once humble opinion, yes, as a matter of fact i think it is. It's like writing on your CV i worked 3 years in Mali watching desert goats mate. Cambodia is stigmatized and will remain so for a long time.
Unless you're achieving something unique that's gonna make it to CNN, i think you've wasted possibly valuable time here.

Take a guy like AIA, not too ambitious, apparently happily married for quite a few years, you'd think it was the right choice.

What is a career anyways? Think about it

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