by OrangeDragon » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:09 am
kinard wrote:OrangeDragon wrote:...Up-skill doesn't mean everyone's a rocket scientist, it just means that the less capable ones will have to do the harder (but less skilled) work..
Yes, but you earlier suggested to 'give up on low wage low skill industry'. I don't see how that is possible.
The grizzled man-bun is a less viable unit than the menial worker, in fact he could well be a liability.
Manufacturing. There is still an abundance of low skill service work... more demand than workers actually, thus my wait for a new bathroom. There's no way an offshore company can come to my house and put in some plumbing... there will always be a need for local/onsite services such as that. Thus, employment security.
Johnsell50 wrote:
In effect what they are trying to say is that America should rely on others to provide all the real goods this country needs. What do we do when the other countries decide either to raise the prices of these goods or not sell them to us at all?
Then their economies will fold, because they depend on us buying them to survive... as it's their only real industry. Symbiotic, not dependent.
Johnsell50 wrote:Remember the oil crisis?
Yes, and we learned a valuable lesson to not put all of our eggs into a single basket. Which is why it's not a relevant comparison... because do you really think that EVERY developing country with manufacturing facilities we have our goods scattered into will all work in unison to stop providing them? They're in competition with one another... not collaboration. Mexico, China, Turkey, Africa, Haiti... the list goes on and on...
Johnsell50 wrote:
And on that, many believe that America has much richer oil reserves than the Arabs, or Russia, or... And if you look into fracking it is a lot more green than most are led to believe.
And, if you remember the oil crisis, you will remember why we should hang on to them instead of using them up NOW while we're able to buy it elsewhere.
Johnsell50 wrote:Please explain why some foreign automakers are investing billions in factories and assembly plants in America?
The true fact is that many of the new factories are having problems finding workers that are skilled enough. It isn't all "Pulling a lever". And yes, any jobs leaving the US are bad for America. Would you much rather have people on welfare, or people producing, paying taxes, and supporting themselves and their families? Who are all these people going to be doing finances and services for? Each other? There has to be a base to supply these things to and pencil pushers aren't going to fill it.
Sometimes people having jobs really is a good thing:
https://ijr.com/president-trump-outpace ... ob-growth/ From Obamas own mouth.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/obama ... ring-jobs/
Again, with outdated information... ignoring the jobs he's killed.
[quote="kinard"][quote="OrangeDragon"]...Up-skill doesn't mean everyone's a rocket scientist, it just means that the less capable ones will have to do the harder (but less skilled) work..[/quote]
Yes, but you earlier suggested to 'give up on low wage low skill industry'. I don't see how that is possible.
The grizzled man-bun is a less viable unit than the menial worker, in fact he could well be a liability.[/quote]
Manufacturing. There is still an abundance of low skill service work... more demand than workers actually, thus my wait for a new bathroom. There's no way an offshore company can come to my house and put in some plumbing... there will always be a need for local/onsite services such as that. Thus, employment security.
[quote="Johnsell50"]
In effect what they are trying to say is that America should rely on others to provide all the real goods this country needs. What do we do when the other countries decide either to raise the prices of these goods or not sell them to us at all?[/quote]
Then their economies will fold, because they depend on us buying them to survive... as it's their only real industry. Symbiotic, not dependent.
[quote="Johnsell50"]Remember the oil crisis?[/quote]
Yes, and we learned a valuable lesson to not put all of our eggs into a single basket. Which is why it's not a relevant comparison... because do you really think that EVERY developing country with manufacturing facilities we have our goods scattered into will all work in unison to stop providing them? They're in competition with one another... not collaboration. Mexico, China, Turkey, Africa, Haiti... the list goes on and on...
[quote="Johnsell50"]
And on that, many believe that America has much richer oil reserves than the Arabs, or Russia, or... And if you look into fracking it is a lot more green than most are led to believe.[/quote]
And, if you remember the oil crisis, you will remember why we should hang on to them instead of using them up NOW while we're able to buy it elsewhere.
[quote="Johnsell50"]Please explain why some foreign automakers are investing billions in factories and assembly plants in America?
The true fact is that many of the new factories are having problems finding workers that are skilled enough. It isn't all "Pulling a lever". And yes, any jobs leaving the US are bad for America. Would you much rather have people on welfare, or people producing, paying taxes, and supporting themselves and their families? Who are all these people going to be doing finances and services for? Each other? There has to be a base to supply these things to and pencil pushers aren't going to fill it.
Sometimes people having jobs really is a good thing:
https://ijr.com/president-trump-outpaces-obama-in-manufacturing-job-growth/ From Obamas own mouth.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/obamas-record-on-manufacturing-jobs/[/quote]
Again, with outdated information... ignoring the jobs he's killed.