by epidemiks » Sat May 19, 2018 11:58 pm
Bumping this as I've been tracking down every map featuring Cambodia <1900 and following some rabbit holes..
PJC wrote:
*Batjong is on the river "north of Cambodia," meaning Lovek, the capital. Srey Santhor is on the Mekong not far from Phnom Penh, but Lovek is on the Tonle Sap River, so the direction is right but the river seems wrong, as he seems to be referring to a place on the Tonle Sap river. But then he says that after Batjong comes "Sumbapoor", where there's a "high priest" who "assumes the title of raja and exacts a toll from passengers." This sounds like the abbot of the monastery Wat Sambok in Kratie, who was given the duty of collecting tolls on the Mekong in the very early 17th century.
This 1708 map of the Royaume du Siam features "Sambok village" north of Striponob, so is Sambok is the same as present day Sambok, then it's likely that Striponob is Kratie or Srey Santor.
Sambokchut village, which appears in the above map north of Sambok is referenced in
this book from 1771. Using Longvek as the centre point, it references to the north a "city "Columpé" - modern Kampi? It's just a short drive north of Sambok, and to the south
Ponomping and the first reference I've seen to "le temple de Balbanon". Ponomping = Phnom Penh, obviously, but not sure where the temple Balbanon refers to.
Au nord d Eauweck est la ville de Columpé & la bourgade de Sombochut au midi elle a la ville de Ponomping & le temple de Balbanon.
Parmi les six ports qui sont sur ses côtes on ne connait plus gueres que ceux de Langor de Cacol ou Karol & Pontameas ou Ponthiamas ou Cancar ce dernier était fort fréquenté des étrangers mais les Siamois le ravagerent en 1717 & le commerce s en éloigna dès lors
To the north of Eauweck is the city of Columpé & the village of Sombochut to the south it has the city of Ponomping & the temple of Balbanon
Among the six ports that are on its shores we do not know any more guards than those of Langor de Cacol or Karol & Pontameas or Ponthiamas or Cancar the latter was popular with foreigners but the Siamese ravaged in 1717 & the trade was away from then
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Which leads to Pontameas / Ponthiamas / Pontiamo
PJC wrote:
*It mentions Ponthiamas, an "independent kingdom" founded in 1705 by a Chinese merchant. This must be HaTien, now on the Cambodia-Vietnam border, founded by refugees from the final collapse of the Ming, but a bit earlier than that. It was a famous trading port and nest of pirates in the late 18th century, outside anyone's control.
From what I've found (link below), Pontameas / Ponthiamas / Pontiamo = Banteay Meas. Present day, it's the district directly north of Ha Tien. Banteay Meas ~ "Golden fortress". The same book describes the Chinese merchant ruler of this autonomous area: Kiang Tse:
Ce lieu & les campagnes voisines languissaient abandonnés: un Chinois les parcourut vit ce qu elles pouvaient être & forma le projet de les cultiver Kiang tse (était son nom) s'instruisit des arts propres à son dessein se ménagea la protection des princes voisins & bientôt on vit naitre sous ses mains une petite ville entourée de remparts & de fossés défendue par de l artillerie.
Les colons qu il avait rassemblé requrent des terres à cultiver avec les instrumens nécessaires ils reçurent le tout sans être soumis à des redevances onéreuses; les loix du fondateur de ce petit Etat se réduisirent à des mœurs simples, à des coutumes qui inspiraient la frugalité, l'amour du travail & la bonne foi: bientôt on a vu succèder de riches moissons à d inutiles forêts, à des marais infeéts, & le port a été fréquenté par les nations voisines, qui y sont venues chercher les provisions qui leur manquaient.
This place and the neighboring countryside languished abandoned: a Chinese ran through them saw what they could be & formed the project to cultivate them, Kiang tse (was his name) learned the arts proper to his design spared the protection of neighboring princes & Soon, a small town surrounded by ramparts and ditches defended by artillery was born under his hands.
The colonists whom he had collected required land to be cultivated with the necessary instruments; they received all without being subjected to expensive royalties; the laws of the founder of this little state were reduced to simple customs, to customs which inspired frugality, the love of work, and good faith: soon we saw succeeding rich harvests to useless forests, to infertile marshes The port was frequented by the neighboring nations, who came there to fetch the provisions they needed.
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The book suggests Banteay Meas was established from scratch by Kiang Tse, but Ponteamas is also suggested to be the ancient port of Cattigara, which is possibly the farthest port reached by far earlier explorers, and further that ancient Cambodia was in fact what was previously thought to be China / Sinae:
From "Mr Caverhill proves the ancient Cattigara to be the same with the modern Ponteamass (Banteaymeas), The Monthly Review, Or, Literary Journal, Volume 40, 1769, p.98.":
Cattigara is thought to be the Roman name for the major port of the Magnus Sinus - the Ptolemic name for the Gulf of Thailand. The Roman Cattigara was Funan era Óc Eo (o'keo / glass canal), which is modern day Thoại Sơn District in Vietnam. There is a man made canal running from Angkor Borei south to Óc Eo that is believed to date from the Funan era.
Bumping this as I've been tracking down every map featuring Cambodia <1900 and following some rabbit holes..
[quote="PJC"]
*Batjong is on the river "north of Cambodia," meaning Lovek, the capital. Srey Santhor is on the Mekong not far from Phnom Penh, but Lovek is on the Tonle Sap River, so the direction is right but the river seems wrong, as he seems to be referring to a place on the Tonle Sap river. But then he says that after Batjong comes "Sumbapoor", where there's a "high priest" who "assumes the title of raja and exacts a toll from passengers." This sounds like the abbot of the monastery Wat Sambok in Kratie, who was given the duty of collecting tolls on the Mekong in the very early 17th century.
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This 1708 map of the Royaume du Siam features "Sambok village" north of Striponob, so is Sambok is the same as present day Sambok, then it's likely that Striponob is Kratie or Srey Santor.
[img]https://i.gyazo.com/bd1788fc4097b1fa6adda56c1532c715.png[/img]
Sambokchut village, which appears in the above map north of Sambok is referenced in [url=https://books.google.com.kh/books?id=futCAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA491&lpg=PA491&dq=sombochut&source=bl&ots=fKCHPFFn_G&sig=i2Xi9FJhcJdiqk4MOxB0VIOveZQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_-fOjxJHbAhXFqI8KHdxdCvMQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=sombochut&f=false]this book from 1771[/url]. Using Longvek as the centre point, it references to the north a "city "Columpé" - modern Kampi? It's just a short drive north of Sambok, and to the south [i]Ponomping[/i] and the first reference I've seen to "le temple de Balbanon". Ponomping = Phnom Penh, obviously, but not sure where the temple Balbanon refers to.
[i]Au nord d Eauweck est la ville de Columpé & la bourgade de Sombochut au midi elle a la ville de Ponomping & le temple de Balbanon.
Parmi les six ports qui sont sur ses côtes on ne connait plus gueres que ceux de Langor de Cacol ou Karol & Pontameas ou Ponthiamas ou Cancar ce dernier était fort fréquenté des étrangers mais les Siamois le ravagerent en 1717 & le commerce s en éloigna dès lors [/i]
[i]To the north of Eauweck is the city of Columpé & the village of Sombochut to the south it has the city of Ponomping & the temple of Balbanon
Among the six ports that are on its shores we do not know any more guards than those of Langor de Cacol or Karol & Pontameas or Ponthiamas or Cancar the latter was popular with foreigners but the Siamese ravaged in 1717 & the trade was away from then[/i]
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Which leads to Pontameas / Ponthiamas / Pontiamo
[quote="PJC"]
*It mentions Ponthiamas, an "independent kingdom" founded in 1705 by a Chinese merchant. This must be HaTien, now on the Cambodia-Vietnam border, founded by refugees from the final collapse of the Ming, but a bit earlier than that. It was a famous trading port and nest of pirates in the late 18th century, outside anyone's control.[/quote]
From what I've found (link below), Pontameas / Ponthiamas / Pontiamo = Banteay Meas. Present day, it's the district directly north of Ha Tien. Banteay Meas ~ "Golden fortress". The same book describes the Chinese merchant ruler of this autonomous area: Kiang Tse:
[i]Ce lieu & les campagnes voisines languissaient abandonnés: un Chinois les parcourut vit ce qu elles pouvaient être & forma le projet de les cultiver Kiang tse (était son nom) s'instruisit des arts propres à son dessein se ménagea la protection des princes voisins & bientôt on vit naitre sous ses mains une petite ville entourée de remparts & de fossés défendue par de l artillerie.
Les colons qu il avait rassemblé requrent des terres à cultiver avec les instrumens nécessaires ils reçurent le tout sans être soumis à des redevances onéreuses; les loix du fondateur de ce petit Etat se réduisirent à des mœurs simples, à des coutumes qui inspiraient la frugalité, l'amour du travail & la bonne foi: bientôt on a vu succèder de riches moissons à d inutiles forêts, à des marais infeéts, & le port a été fréquenté par les nations voisines, qui y sont venues chercher les provisions qui leur manquaient.
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[i]This place and the neighboring countryside languished abandoned: a Chinese ran through them saw what they could be & formed the project to cultivate them, Kiang tse (was his name) learned the arts proper to his design spared the protection of neighboring princes & Soon, a small town surrounded by ramparts and ditches defended by artillery was born under his hands.
The colonists whom he had collected required land to be cultivated with the necessary instruments; they received all without being subjected to expensive royalties; the laws of the founder of this little state were reduced to simple customs, to customs which inspired frugality, the love of work, and good faith: soon we saw succeeding rich harvests to useless forests, to infertile marshes The port was frequented by the neighboring nations, who came there to fetch the provisions they needed.[/i]
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The book suggests Banteay Meas was established from scratch by Kiang Tse, but Ponteamas is also suggested to be the ancient port of Cattigara, which is possibly the farthest port reached by far earlier explorers, and further that ancient Cambodia was in fact what was previously thought to be China / Sinae:
From "Mr Caverhill proves the ancient Cattigara to be the same with the modern Ponteamass (Banteaymeas), The Monthly Review, Or, Literary Journal, Volume 40, 1769, p.98.":
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/The_Monthly_Review%2C_Or%2C_Literary_Journal%2C_Volume_40%2C_1769.JPG/800px-The_Monthly_Review%2C_Or%2C_Literary_Journal%2C_Volume_40%2C_1769.JPG[/img]
Cattigara is thought to be the Roman name for the major port of the Magnus Sinus - the Ptolemic name for the Gulf of Thailand. The Roman Cattigara was Funan era Óc Eo (o'keo / glass canal), which is modern day Thoại Sơn District in Vietnam. There is a man made canal running from Angkor Borei south to Óc Eo that is believed to date from the Funan era.
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Oceo.jpg[/img]