by Chuangt2u » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:56 pm
slavedog wrote:So, to summarise, someone - we know not who, did something - we know not what, to upset you, and, of all those available to you (talking to me, talking to another manager, talking to the director, talking to the owner), your chosen course of action was to...................................write a post on an obscure corner of an expat internet forum! And after a few weeks, when (surprise surprise) that didn't result in a satisfactory outcome for you, you decided to just not turn up to work one day.
Perhaps, slavedog, if you shared the majority view of:
GMJS-440 wrote:Forcing people out of jobs through the manipulation of children is crossing the line at an extreme level. Shameful behavior.
then you would have investigated it either before or after I left - and then we would have some names.
Even following
your own version of events, the timeline of which I contest...
you were made aware at the time that allegations of kids being used had been made - and in your position of manager of that building and team of people -
you decided not to look into that.
You did nothing - NOTHING - either before or after I left - and that's why you can now claim there is
" someone - we know not who, did something - we know not what"
And after that, and you've admitted it, it was you that spread the gossip, and you say it came from the school your kids now attend... despite the fact that the DOS of that school at that time has commented directly on the matter on 440 and against you.
Chuangt2u wrote:Looks like you missed this, slavedog.
What was the gossip, where did it come from, and who did you spread it to.
Chuangt2u wrote:
gavinmac wrote:He never offers any facts to back up his claims of this gossip,
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slavedog wrote:You worked at a school, couldn't get along with your colleagues, accusations and counter-accusations were made, you left without giving notice.
I'm on good terms with the management at that school and was given the full story.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... t+#p422855
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Chuangt2u wrote:
slavedog wrote: Who said anything about Vladamir? I know several members of staff at the school, have done for many years. You have incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that I was referring to Vladamir.
I jumped to no conclusions - you said my previous employer, which was vladimir
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ir#p649665
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gavinmac wrote:he never offers any motive as to why his former co-worker would tirelessly work for five years to ruin his life, there hasn't been any substantiation of his claims in five years.
Motive?
Who knows.
He won't name his source.
We don't know who he spoke to and we don't know what was said.
But WE DO KNOW THAT GOSSIP IS PASSING THROUGH HIM AND THE EMPLOYMENT CHAIN. He's the last link in that chain, as I haven't worked full-time since encountering this through him and his friends and leaving that school.
I never said anyone worked tirelessly for five years to ruin my life. That's a lie from gavinmac.
Substantiation of my claims are above, from slavedog himself.
And you also missed this, slavedog.
Chuangt2u wrote:The only way that this can begin to 'heal' as you put it, Alan, is for there to be honest and open dialogue about it.
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.
When there's an honest dialogue and grievances can be aired, then resolutions can be made.
When there's nothing but denial with teasing comments and interference from people wholly unconnected to the issue nothing can be solved.
...
Again:
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of ;the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.
And your doing nothing bar run a drunken popularity contest freewheeling over and past anything that may be seen as 'normal controls IN A SCHOOL' was what led me to writing here in the first place.
What were the options you listed as open to me?
Report to you that you're allowing this?
Report to your boss that he, too, comes to work so drunk he takes a full day in the (your) expat staff room to recover? (Remember that?)
Report to the owner of the school - and who would they go see?
As I said at the time - and have stood by since - I wrote that here on 440 so what I said couldn't be misrepresented or mis-reported, as you had no interest other than talk of bars, drunkenness, drugs, SHV ladyboy confusions when out finding hookers with your mates, you know - what quickly became the usual fare for the staffroom of that school building after the previous manager left.
And why am I still doing / saying this?
This bears remembering and repeating.
GMJS-440 wrote:Forcing people out of jobs through the manipulation of children is crossing the line at an extreme level. Shameful behavior.
Do you think that rubbish stayed with the student population of just that building?
Do you think this stayed within the student population of just that school?
Further again...
chuangt2u wrote:slavedog wrote:Anyway, I'll hold my hands up on the dope smoking allegation. I hadn't had a toke in a years and it did kick my butt! But if I remember rightly, it was a Friday night, no kids to teach in the morning. Tracy, feel free to post the photos
Your antics in throwing a whitey on the floor of the bar when you couldn't handle the dope that other teachers were passing around is a case in point. Pissed and stoned to the point where you are comatose face-down on the floor of a bar with the teachers taking photos on their cellphones - you're in at work the next day taking a position of responsibility for hundreds of kids and dozens of teachers. Marvellous job, slavedog. Ask Tracey if she still has the photos.
It would be good to see the exif data from those photographs.
[quote="slavedog"]So, to summarise, someone - we know not who, did something - we know not what, to upset you, and, of all those available to you (talking to me, talking to another manager, talking to the director, talking to the owner), your chosen course of action was to...................................write a post on an obscure corner of an expat internet forum! And after a few weeks, when (surprise surprise) that didn't result in a satisfactory outcome for you, you decided to just not turn up to work one day. [/quote]
[quote="slavedog"] I was made aware of the thread at the time and stayed out of it. [url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=48374&start=444[/url] [/quote]
Perhaps, slavedog, if you shared the majority view of:
[quote="GMJS-440"]Forcing people out of jobs through the manipulation of children is crossing the line at an extreme level. Shameful behavior.[/quote]
then you would have investigated it either before or after I left - and then we would have some names.
Even following [u]your own version of events[/u], the timeline of which I contest...
[u]you were made aware at the time[/u] that allegations of kids being used had been made - and in your position of manager of that building and team of people - [u]you decided not to look into that[/u].
You did nothing - NOTHING - either before or after I left - and that's why you can now claim there is [quote]" someone - we know not who, did something - we know not what"[/quote]
And after that, and you've admitted it, it was you that spread the gossip, and you say it came from the school your kids now attend... despite the fact that the DOS of that school at that time has commented directly on the matter on 440 and against you.
[quote="Chuangt2u"]Looks like you missed this, slavedog.
What was the gossip, where did it come from, and who did you spread it to.
[quote="Chuangt2u"]
[quote="gavinmac"]He never offers any facts to back up his claims of this gossip, [/quote]
1. [quote="slavedog"]Is it not true that you left your previous employer under a similar cloud - i.e. colleagues spreading rumours and talking about you behind your back? Would you like to blame me for that as well?
[url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32004&start=75[/url]
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2. [quote="slavedog"]You worked at a school, couldn't get along with your colleagues, accusations and counter-accusations were made, you left without giving notice.
I'm on good terms with the management at that school and was given the full story.
[url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32004&p=422855&hilit=+I%27m+on+good+terms+with+the+management+#p422855[/url][/quote]
3. [quote="Chuangt2u"]
[quote="slavedog"] Who said anything about Vladamir? I know several members of staff at the school, have done for many years. You have incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that I was referring to Vladamir.[/quote]
I jumped to no conclusions - you said my previous employer, which was vladimir
[url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48374&p=649665&hilit=vladamir#p649665[/url]
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4. [quote="slavedog"]Not sure why you are having such trouble with the idea that I could have spoken to someone at the school who is not Vladamir. It's fairly big school, after all.
[url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48374&p=652437&hilit=vladamir#p652437[/url]
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5. [quote="slavedog"][quote="Chuangt2u"]
Who was the manager you 'talked to' ? (see above, my mangers are all there)
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Won't be saying. It was off the record.
[url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48374&p=652437&hilit=vladamir#p652437[/url]
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[quote="gavinmac"]he never offers any motive as to why his former co-worker would tirelessly work for five years to ruin his life, there hasn't been any substantiation of his claims in five years. [/quote]
Motive?
Who knows.
He won't name his source.
We don't know who he spoke to and we don't know what was said.
But WE DO KNOW THAT GOSSIP IS PASSING THROUGH HIM AND THE EMPLOYMENT CHAIN. He's the last link in that chain, as I haven't worked full-time since encountering this through him and his friends and leaving that school.
I never said anyone worked tirelessly for five years to ruin my life. That's a lie from gavinmac.
Substantiation of my claims are above, from slavedog himself.
[/quote]
And you also missed this, slavedog.
[quote="Chuangt2u"]The only way that this can begin to 'heal' as you put it, Alan, is for there to be honest and open dialogue about it.
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.
When there's an honest dialogue and grievances can be aired, then resolutions can be made.
When there's nothing but denial with teasing comments and interference from people wholly unconnected to the issue nothing can be solved.
...
Again:
slavedog needs to say who he spoke to and what was said. He needs to say why he thought he had the right to interfere with my working life and he needs to be open about what of ;the information passed along to him he actually passed along himself.[/quote][/quote]
And your doing nothing bar run a drunken popularity contest freewheeling over and past anything that may be seen as 'normal controls IN A SCHOOL' was what led me to writing here in the first place.
What were the options you listed as open to me?
Report to you that you're allowing this?
Report to your boss that he, too, comes to work so drunk he takes a full day in the (your) expat staff room to recover? (Remember that?)
Report to the owner of the school - and who would they go see?
As I said at the time - and have stood by since - I wrote that here on 440 so what I said couldn't be misrepresented or mis-reported, as you had no interest other than talk of bars, drunkenness, drugs, SHV ladyboy confusions when out finding hookers with your mates, you know - what quickly became the usual fare for the staffroom of that school building after the previous manager left.
And why am I still doing / saying this?
This bears remembering and repeating.
[quote="GMJS-440"]Forcing people out of jobs through the manipulation of children is crossing the line at an extreme level. Shameful behavior.[/quote]
Do you think that rubbish stayed with the student population of just that building?
Do you think this stayed within the student population of just that school?
Further again...
[quote="chuangt2u"][quote="slavedog"]Anyway, I'll hold my hands up on the dope smoking allegation. I hadn't had a toke in a years and it did kick my butt! But if I remember rightly, it was a Friday night, no kids to teach in the morning. Tracy, feel free to post the photos :thumbsup:[/quote]
Your antics in throwing a whitey on the floor of the bar when you couldn't handle the dope that other teachers were passing around is a case in point. Pissed and stoned to the point where you are comatose face-down on the floor of a bar with the teachers taking photos on their cellphones - you're in at work the next day taking a position of responsibility for hundreds of kids and dozens of teachers. Marvellous job, slavedog. Ask Tracey if she still has the photos. [/quote]
It would be good to see the exif data from those photographs.