by violet » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:44 pm
ok. you got me back here
I agree with your observation. I don't fit that camp though - my prolific and deeply personal sharing (privately mostly - emails, friends only on FB) of myself online was in the past. It took me years after knowing that my data had been accessed and shared in ways I wasn't comfortable with before I was able to actually significantly change my posting behaviour. If I knew then what I know now about how nothing is ever just with your select FB audience, etc., I'd never have shared in emails, on Facebook on here, the way I did. I was clueless. Once I did know, it became about how an addict (because that's what I'd become) fights to find a balance between trying to limit the personal information shared and operating in the real world now that we are an online species. Even if we aren't actively online, we are still digital through our banking, shopping, health, shopping mall and street cameras, etc etc. Our jobs have some type of digital / online component.
So, I was a case of shutting the gate after the horse had bolted. I was torn between not wanting to give up 'my voice' and wanting to be private. I tested where I wanted to be - did I want to be a blogger? No. Did I want to fight to be off grid? Yes to a large extent, but that simply isn't practical and, besides, I actually love so much about what is possible thanks to the internet and smart technology. My data was already captured. It was already shared in ways I was uncomfortable with (proven fact, not a paranoid statement). Why bother? It's all out there already. But what I do want to do is limit how much of it is able to be captured in future. And I have found a healthier balance between sharing online and participating in society in the digitally connected world we are creating for ourselves.
So, I'm not like the ones you mention - posting about social engineering and how good they are at avoiding it because they know all the tricks. I think their egos may be getting in the way of how clearly they are seeing things. It's hard for some people to step outside of themselves and observe themselves as one of the cogs in the giant watch. I get sucked in by social engineering repeatedly. I'm not sure I will ever NOT be suckered by it, but I do avoid responding to many of the practiced attempts to get information. I've gotten better at it.
My LinkedIn account requires I identify myself. I'm still on FB, although I have reduced my friends to people I've met and mostly those I went to school with or worked with years ago. My post count on FB now vs three years ago (or even two years ago) is dramatically reduced. Really, I should cull it altogether. Should I ever need to for work purposes, I will. And I'll survive. Three years ago I thought I'd never live without FB (and K440). Now I can go days and weeks without it and not care. But, I still fall back into old habits when I'm procrastinating or mulling things over in the back of my head and have time on my hands.
So, I've had concerns about my data being used in ways I'm not comfortable with, but I have developed an interest that goes beyond that. I don't think I want to be a pen tester. That's not what I'm into.
I'm not going to post about my interests on here any more. It is the wrong environment for it. I'm beating a dead horse. I've attempted to engage others in the topic but only one or two have really cared and they know better than me to not bother going into it all on here. Mostly what I got with my attempts was heckles and perhaps some jabs to attempt to get me to articulate myself better - thing is. I don't care to do that with an uninterested audience. I'm not a converter of minds. I'll leave that to those who have that innate ability to reach people - teachers, leaders, inspirers... people have either got that or they don't. I don't.
You have it wrong - people aren't worried about others knowing too much about them when they are posting about social engineering. You are reading what they say from a pre-state. That's not open minded (not being judgemental, just stating a fact). Try listening/reading. Try leaving your preconceived ideas behind and look at things from different angles to understand why they are talking about the importance of being aware of how social engineering is being used. I've already said it, but you focus on the bits that aren't about that at all. You're intelligent - you let us know that often enough. You accuse others of being narrow minded, etc. But you don't display the ability to actually let go of your stance and see through the eyes of another. You come across as needing to be right, but I may be processing it through my own experiences of people I've known before who behave the same way.
ok. you got me back here
I agree with your observation. I don't fit that camp though - my prolific and deeply personal sharing (privately mostly - emails, friends only on FB) of myself online was in the past. It took me years after knowing that my data had been accessed and shared in ways I wasn't comfortable with before I was able to actually significantly change my posting behaviour. If I knew then what I know now about how nothing is ever just with your select FB audience, etc., I'd never have shared in emails, on Facebook on here, the way I did. I was clueless. Once I did know, it became about how an addict (because that's what I'd become) fights to find a balance between trying to limit the personal information shared and operating in the real world now that we are an online species. Even if we aren't actively online, we are still digital through our banking, shopping, health, shopping mall and street cameras, etc etc. Our jobs have some type of digital / online component.
So, I was a case of shutting the gate after the horse had bolted. I was torn between not wanting to give up 'my voice' and wanting to be private. I tested where I wanted to be - did I want to be a blogger? No. Did I want to fight to be off grid? Yes to a large extent, but that simply isn't practical and, besides, I actually love so much about what is possible thanks to the internet and smart technology. My data was already captured. It was already shared in ways I was uncomfortable with (proven fact, not a paranoid statement). Why bother? It's all out there already. But what I do want to do is limit how much of it is able to be captured in future. And I have found a healthier balance between sharing online and participating in society in the digitally connected world we are creating for ourselves.
So, I'm not like the ones you mention - posting about social engineering and how good they are at avoiding it because they know all the tricks. I think their egos may be getting in the way of how clearly they are seeing things. It's hard for some people to step outside of themselves and observe themselves as one of the cogs in the giant watch. I get sucked in by social engineering repeatedly. I'm not sure I will ever NOT be suckered by it, but I do avoid responding to many of the practiced attempts to get information. I've gotten better at it.
My LinkedIn account requires I identify myself. I'm still on FB, although I have reduced my friends to people I've met and mostly those I went to school with or worked with years ago. My post count on FB now vs three years ago (or even two years ago) is dramatically reduced. Really, I should cull it altogether. Should I ever need to for work purposes, I will. And I'll survive. Three years ago I thought I'd never live without FB (and K440). Now I can go days and weeks without it and not care. But, I still fall back into old habits when I'm procrastinating or mulling things over in the back of my head and have time on my hands.
So, I've had concerns about my data being used in ways I'm not comfortable with, but I have developed an interest that goes beyond that. I don't think I want to be a pen tester. That's not what I'm into.
I'm not going to post about my interests on here any more. It is the wrong environment for it. I'm beating a dead horse. I've attempted to engage others in the topic but only one or two have really cared and they know better than me to not bother going into it all on here. Mostly what I got with my attempts was heckles and perhaps some jabs to attempt to get me to articulate myself better - thing is. I don't care to do that with an uninterested audience. I'm not a converter of minds. I'll leave that to those who have that innate ability to reach people - teachers, leaders, inspirers... people have either got that or they don't. I don't.
You have it wrong - people aren't worried about others knowing too much about them when they are posting about social engineering. You are reading what they say from a pre-state. That's not open minded (not being judgemental, just stating a fact). Try listening/reading. Try leaving your preconceived ideas behind and look at things from different angles to understand why they are talking about the importance of being aware of how social engineering is being used. I've already said it, but you focus on the bits that aren't about that at all. You're intelligent - you let us know that often enough. You accuse others of being narrow minded, etc. But you don't display the ability to actually let go of your stance and see through the eyes of another. You come across as needing to be right, but I may be processing it through my own experiences of people I've known before who behave the same way.