There are, right here in Cambodia. Petty criminals, juvenile delinquents are occasionally sent to a monastery to get back on the straight and narrow.I wonder if there has been a similar situation in Buddhism, as there was in Medieval Christianity, when families would send there wayward sons and daughters to take vows in a monastery
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you bet, i am not a hippie, but otherwise all for the coexist bumpersticker,.. the best of people would hopefully believe in avoiding dirty tricks like forcing submission on others, keeping two books on accounting and such.. although a case of reappearance in many religious societies, the ones where it actually does not happen, seem not to hit the press that often, despite often being a useful and supportive entity in young peoples search for guidance in their lives..SunSan wrote:Their religion gives them strength.franzjaeger wrote:.. but i respect the strength it can provide a community.
You'd think religions, being there to help people cope with their lives, would all be somewhat similar in the end result.
But no, it's 'this is my religion, and it's the only right one. Adopt it or I'll chop your head off'.
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It surprised me when I first encountered it that so many monks leave after a year/ 2 years and usually start a business etc.
One told me he had saved/ made a lot of money by being a monk for 5 years. God knows (or perhaps Buddha) where it came from.
Years ago I read of running fights in the city when monks crossed lines, ie going into another wat's jurisdiction/ alms area.
They should get together with the Catholic priest kiddy fiddlers, I wonder what would come out of the mix?
I have met some good ones, but they are in the minority, taking into account how many (not lots) I have met. Many have expensive mobile phones/tablets/ laptops and often surf the net, not sure what Buddha would say.
One told me he had saved/ made a lot of money by being a monk for 5 years. God knows (or perhaps Buddha) where it came from.
Years ago I read of running fights in the city when monks crossed lines, ie going into another wat's jurisdiction/ alms area.
They should get together with the Catholic priest kiddy fiddlers, I wonder what would come out of the mix?
I have met some good ones, but they are in the minority, taking into account how many (not lots) I have met. Many have expensive mobile phones/tablets/ laptops and often surf the net, not sure what Buddha would say.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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probably depends of if he was fat or not.. money and religion has a different relationship in buddhist culture, and as that not frowned upon.. but as pure gold, seen as a value of the deities, probably a reason for the many outgoing ladies on these parts as well, enjoynot sure what Buddha would say.
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He wasn't fat. The fat laughing 'Buddha' is actually just a boddisatva. Buddha himself was a slim, ascetic person.
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Mao had it right when he told the Dali Lama "Religion is poison"
"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." HST
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True. It seems laughable that so many of his self-professing students don't get this, but in fact go to the other extreme and never see/admit to seeing the irony.SunSan wrote:He wasn't fat. The fat laughing 'Buddha' is actually just a boddisatva. Buddha himself was a slim, ascetic person.
There are none so blind...
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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what he did not have right, was for the long term sustainability of communism though..Phuket2006 wrote:Mao had it right when he told the Dali Lama "Religion is poison"
true, i was going for the irony in synergy of opposing dualities.. otherwise not a specialist apart from the book of tea..SunSan wrote:He wasn't fat. The fat laughing 'Buddha' is actually just a boddisatva. Buddha himself was a slim, ascetic person.
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Remind me which one was responsible for the deaths of over 20 million and inspired the Khmer Rouge?Phuket2006 wrote:Mao had it right when he told the Dali Lama "Religion is poison"
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This is probably because the New Testament mainly consists of the story of Jesus retold a few slightly different ways, and the sermons are told in the local language. The Tiptaka or Pali Canon consists of 40 or more large volumes of teachings of the Buddha (it varies from country to country) and commentaries. Much of it is taught in Pali, and prayers and chants are in this language which few outside of the most learned monks will really understand. Sermons are also delivered in the local language. From what I've observed, most locals don't pay an awful lot of attention while at Pagodas or blessings, which is understandable when it's in an incomprehensible language for them.MoodyMac wrote: I wonder why however that the graphic novel I bought my wife was the first time she has heard the Buddhist stories. I mean thats akin to calling yourself a Christian and not knowing about the birth of Jesus in a stable
They most likely only planned on becoming novices for that length of time anyway. Young men often join just to benefit from the free education that they get, and rejoin normal life afterwards. You can't really expect these people to be much different than anyone else, it's just a rite of passage rather than a lifelong vocation.vladimir wrote:It surprised me when I first encountered it that so many monks leave after a year/ 2 years and usually start a business etc.
You can see he was quite slim when he was fasting.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Have people never been killed in the name of Buddhism? Or, as in Phuket's quote, in the name of religion?
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A Chinese motherfucker, who is still throwing down the cards today. cue: nukes (way too late, dog)andyinasia wrote:Remind me which one was responsible for the deaths of over 20 million and inspired the Khmer Rouge?Phuket2006 wrote:Mao had it right when he told the Dali Lama "Religion is poison"
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I recall a song we sang when i was young titled "onward Christian soldiers"SunSan wrote:Have people never been killed in the name of Buddhism? Or, as in Phuket's quote, in the name of religion?
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
2. At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
(Refrain)
3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
(Refrain)
4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
we have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.
(Refrain)
5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
this through countless ages men and angels sing.
(Refrain)
Did the Khmer's, Thai's or Tibetans have such a song?
"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." HST
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True. As I stated in my post, not a particularly nice chap. It was my history teacher at school who first invited us to take a balanced view of Martin Luther. History will most probably remember him for his 95-theses, but we shouldn't forget that he had some absurd, extreme views as well.jm wrote:Martin Luther was an evil motherfucker. These are the writings of a Christian?kinglear#1 wrote:I Agree that St Francis the man is a far more appetising figure than M Luther the man. In spite of the great things Luther did such as translating the Bible into the Vernacular from Latin (to make it more readily available to ordinary people) and writing hymns, standing up to the sale of indulgences and so on, there is a darker side to his personality, too. Didn't he publish a pamphlet: "On the thieving, murderous hordes of peasants"? (Although peasants were on the rampage at the time.) Also, in his later life, there were some wacky anti-semitic rants, advocating the burning down of synagogues and the seizure of Jewish property.MoodyMac wrote: So many of the teachings focus on the lesson of avoiding greed, pride and superstition. According to the stories the Buddha had the ability to bring proud and arrogant people to humility and understand....
...........Francis is unique in that despite being Roman Catholic, he has many ardent admirers in the modern protestant churches. I would hazard to guess that he is one of the most influential or inspirational people within the Church over the last 1500 years. He is far more loved and adored than for example Martin Luther.
Interestingly, this is from one of the theses of 1517:
...... particularly in Thesis 86, which asks: "Why does the pope, whose wealth today is greater than the wealth of the richest Crassus, build the basilica of St. Peter with the money of poor believers rather than with his own money?" Does anyone know how the big house near IM was funded?
As for Sunsan's and others' later comments, surely the teaching of religion has a place in society?
"In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth." They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine." The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them"."
Re the above, 'Onward Xian Soldiers' is just one of many rallying war cries found in various hymns. That's why I despise any embrace of religion as infallible and an incorrigible attempt to spread 'good'.
O, let me not be mad, not mad, sweet heaven
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