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Uh, I'm with you on this (King Lear's post got in quicker, I meant Phuket's post ^^). And my question was rhetorical.
Not just Buddhism, every world religion now still existing is guilty of mass murder. Buddhism, having a couple of centuries more than Christianity, has probably more deaths on its hands.
I grew up in a Catholic area for some years, they were going on and on about Luther. That's when I decided to read up on the Catholics.
Not just Buddhism, every world religion now still existing is guilty of mass murder. Buddhism, having a couple of centuries more than Christianity, has probably more deaths on its hands.
I grew up in a Catholic area for some years, they were going on and on about Luther. That's when I decided to read up on the Catholics.
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The record isn't pristine - in the last few years there has been some ugly anti-Tamil rhetoric from a minority of monks in Sri Lanka, and there have been reports of wats permitting armed police to don robes in Southern Thailand, but overall the Buddhist record on violence-tinged abuse is miniscule compared to other major belief-systems, whether it be Christianity, Islam, communism, fascism or neo-Amerikano-'freedom'. The Buddha's teaching could hardly be more explicit in its condemnation of violence, far more so than any other major belief-system.SunSan wrote:Have people never been killed in the name of Buddhism? Or, as in Phuket's quote, in the name of religion?
Phuket, like you, has to resort to jumping off-topic to further his sweeping claims. Another reminder - the topic is Cambodian Buddhist monks. You could do well to check out the career of Mahagosananda who led peace campaigns in Cambodia until his death in 2007:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preah_Maha_Ghosananda
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In the last few years? The last 2550 years aren't worth mentioning? And that's just Buddhism.
But yes, we should really stay on topic before it gets even more embarrassing.
But yes, we should really stay on topic before it gets even more embarrassing.
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Talk is cheap. Cambodia was a nominally? Buddhist country in 1976.andyinasia wrote: but overall the Buddhist record on violence-tinged abuse is miniscule compared to other major belief-systems, whether it be Christianity, Islam, communism, fascism or neo-Amerikano-'freedom'. The Buddha's teaching could hardly be more explicit in its condemnation of violence, far more so than any other major belief-system.
2m is not a small number. And that's just Cambodia. What about Laos, Vietnam, Thailand and, hello, Myanmar?
The belief might be explicit, but the practice ignores this in times of convenience.
Buddhism - religion = nothing special. Whitewash job failed.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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Only claim i make is i agree with Maohas to resort to jumping off-topic to further his sweeping claims.
Least us not forget Dylans song as well;
"With God On Our Side"
Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And the land that I live in
Has God on its side.
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.
The Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns on their hands
And God on their side.
The First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.
I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.
In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.
So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.
"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." HST
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vladimir wrote:Talk is cheap. Cambodia was a nominally? Buddhist country in 1976.andyinasia wrote: but overall the Buddhist record on violence-tinged abuse is miniscule compared to other major belief-systems, whether it be Christianity, Islam, communism, fascism or neo-Amerikano-'freedom'. The Buddha's teaching could hardly be more explicit in its condemnation of violence, far more so than any other major belief-system.
2m is not a small number. And that's just Cambodia. What about Laos, Vietnam, Thailand and, hello, Myanmar?
The belief might be explicit, but the practice ignores this in times of convenience.
Buddhism - religion = nothing special. Whitewash job failed.
Vlad - the Khmer Rouge followed the Maoist doctrine espoused by Phuket above - 'religion is poison'. They were anti-Buddhist. Read the wiki article to see how Buddhism suffered. Come on, you're ignoring the facts I've placed before you to spout ignorant crap.
Sunsan, a study of history will show what I said above - over the last 2550 years Buddhism has been responsible for a tiny amount of violence compared to the other (ie all major) religious and non-religious belief-systems.
Anyway, as per usual, it's typical that a discussion on religion turns otherwise intelligent people into raving morons and I don't have time to offer rational responses like pearls before swine. Carry on foaming
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Phuket, good post.
We have been taught for too long that God is on America's side.
Old Testament simpleton simplicity to me, but still too many simpletons around way too hungry to accept it.
Vote Republican! God bless America!
(BTW, Iran is way too aggressive!)
We have been taught for too long that God is on America's side.
Old Testament simpleton simplicity to me, but still too many simpletons around way too hungry to accept it.
Vote Republican! God bless America!
(BTW, Iran is way too aggressive!)
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
1976? You're surely not suggesting that Buddhism or Buddhist monks are somehow responsible for that?vladimir wrote:Talk is cheap. Cambodia was a nominally? Buddhist country in 1976.andyinasia wrote: but overall the Buddhist record on violence-tinged abuse is miniscule compared to other major belief-systems, whether it be Christianity, Islam, communism, fascism or neo-Amerikano-'freedom'. The Buddha's teaching could hardly be more explicit in its condemnation of violence, far more so than any other major belief-system.
2m is not a small number. And that's just Cambodia. What about Laos, Vietnam, Thailand and, hello, Myanmar?
The belief might be explicit, but the practice ignores this in times of convenience.
Buddhism - religion = nothing special. Whitewash job failed.
Your equation is wrong as well.
I think you will find that non religious people find the life and teaching of Buddha special. Many also find the life and teaching of Jesus special when the religious trappings are stripped away.
Buddhism - religion = wisdom + understanding
Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.
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ha, i definitely appreciate the 'less is more' aspect of many buddhist teachings, i guess that goes for the fatness factor of many monks, of varying age and rank out there, however this guy who has been screaming down this neighborhood for a few days seem a bit on the aggressive side, as does the radio of my neighbor at times as well. if buddhist thinking is holding him back from being even more aggressive, i don't know.. but it's helps me practice the art of patience, and the fact that the world here is moving and changing, and there is not much one can do about it singlehandedly, religious or not..
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andyinasia wrote:Buddhism - religion = nothing special. Whitewash job failed.
Vlad - the Khmer Rouge followed the Maoist doctrine espoused by Phuket above - 'religion is poison'. They were anti-Buddhist. Read the wiki article to see how Buddhism suffered. Come on, you're ignoring the facts I've placed before you to spout ignorant crap.
Sunsan, a study of history will show what I said above - over the last 2550 years Buddhism has been responsible for a tiny amount of violence compared to the other (ie all major) religious and non-religious belief-systems.[/quote]
andy, we're all ignorant compared to YOU, right? Yes, or NO?
My (stupid) point was that all this conditioning didn't help them. WHY? The general population were Buddhist before, but they espoused communism. WHY? Sorry to ask stupid questions of such a master, but I'm ignorant. Gte over your narcissism/ arrogance/ spiritual one - -upmanship, and you might just do some earthly good. Sorry to say it, but dickhead comes to mind.
2550 years of teaching didn't prevent murderers emerging. WHY? Answer = human nature. Get over your bias for Buddhism = denial.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
That is very difficult to believe and I, for one, don't.
They're responsible for as much misery as everybody else.
Just looking at SEA, if permitted, I see Cambodia, Laos and Burma right at the bottom of the pile. East Timor beneath them all of course.
Not even the Jain are immune to a bit of good old fashioned massacring.
No one is.
They're responsible for as much misery as everybody else.
Just looking at SEA, if permitted, I see Cambodia, Laos and Burma right at the bottom of the pile. East Timor beneath them all of course.
Not even the Jain are immune to a bit of good old fashioned massacring.
No one is.
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In case you missed it, there was a revolution and they turned their backs on all previous beliefs.vladimir wrote: My (stupid) point was that all this conditioning didn't help them. WHY? The general population were Buddhist before, but they espoused communism.
I agree. It's a waste of time, no matter what you say you'll still get the usual "religion is the cause of all wars, massacres and badness" nonsense coming up.Anyway, as per usual, it's typical that a discussion on religion turns otherwise intelligent people into raving morons and I don't have time to offer rational responses like pearls before swine. Carry on foaming
No, it's obviously the monk's fault.You'll have a tough time convincing me that bashing babies against trees is human nature.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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andyinasia wrote:vladimir wrote:Talk is cheap. Cambodia was a nominally? Buddhist country in 1976.andyinasia wrote: but overall the Buddhist record on violence-tinged abuse is miniscule compared to other major belief-systems, whether it be Christianity, Islam, communism, fascism or neo-Amerikano-'freedom'. The Buddha's teaching could hardly be more explicit in its condemnation of violence, far more so than any other major belief-system.
2m is not a small number. And that's just Cambodia. What about Laos, Vietnam, Thailand and, hello, Myanmar?
The belief might be explicit, but the practice ignores this in times of convenience.
Buddhism - religion = nothing special. Whitewash job failed.
Vlad - the Khmer Rouge followed the Maoist doctrine espoused by Phuket above - 'religion is poison'. They were anti-Buddhist. Read the wiki article to see how Buddhism suffered. Come on, you're ignoring the facts I've placed before you to spout ignorant crap.
Sunsan, a study of history will show what I said above - over the last 2550 years Buddhism has been responsible for a tiny amount of violence compared to the other (ie all major) religious and non-religious belief-systems.
Anyway, as per usual, it's typical that a discussion on religion turns otherwise intelligent people into raving morons and I don't have time to offer rational responses like pearls before swine. Carry on foaming
Well, omniscient one, at least you are in good company:
'Barbarus hic ego sum quia non intelligor ulli'
'I am a barbarian in this place because I am not understood by anyone.'
Ovid
No doubt, you'll point out that this is a mistranslation of Ovid by Rousseau, but it might be a (deliberate)mistranslation by Brian Friel (in the play 'Translations') of a mistranslation by Rousseau.
Anyway, the song remains the same.
We might not all be as bright or learned as you, but at least we don't claim to be so.
Raving moron,
University of Hamburgers
O, let me not be mad, not mad, sweet heaven
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jm, that was the extended result of their initial choice.jm wrote:You'll have a tough time convincing me that bashing babies against trees is human nature.
But my point was; WHY did they abandon Buddhism for such a life, if Buddhims was soooo wonderful?
The result of their choice is inconsequential/ irrelevant to the initial question, don't you agree?
The inescapable conclusion is that the presented face of Buddhism - not the prescribed teachings - was at fault/ presented a flawed model to the general populace.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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