I can't believe I have semi-fallen for a KTV girl--advice pl
I can't believe I have semi-fallen for a KTV girl--advice pl
Especially after having read Private Dancer on the way over here. I swore I could never fall for a girl involved in the business. Here is the story:
I came to Thailand for 3 weeks from the USA for a relaxing holiday and decided on a whim to hop over to Cambodia to visit Angkor Wat and see an old Cambodian classmate of mine (we went to grad school together) in Phnom Penh. So, I cut short my stay in Thailand and flew to Siem Reap for 3 days followed by PP for 4 days.
My second night in Siem Reap, I was feeling a bit lonely so I had my Tuk Tuk driver take me to a KTV bar. I think I was pretty much the only customer and it felt like heaven being in the midst of 30 or so available ladies. Naturally I picked the lady I found the most attractive (a very pretty, golden-skinned, 25 year old lady with a warm smile named Amara).
Now, I did have my share of bar girls whilst in Thailand. However, I found them to pretty business-like for the most part, without much genuine warmth. Quite different from my impression of Khmer ladies. While the Thai ladies, IMHO, are on average prettier than the Cambodian ladies, I find the Cambodian women to be much more sweet and warm, qualities that go a long way in my book.
So, I sit and talk with Amara in our private lounge in the KTV at which point she tells me what I feel is typical hooker bullshit--ie she has only been working at the KTV a very short time and has only been with 4 men in her life (including her ex-boyfriend), and how she has a really good heart and works in a beauty salon by day. Now all this might be true, but I am understandably skeptical. At any rate, I take her for short-time and had a really nice session with her ( she says that she came, but I think it is probably ego-stroking BS). She was very passionate and warm (even gave me a full body massage after making love) and afterwards invited me to her place. I didn't really feel comfortable with that so I told her that I would call her the next day so we could go out.
I call her the next day and invite her out for dinner, which she accepts. I bought a little stuffed animal for her and a rose because I did have a really great time the previous night. We go out for dinner on Pub street and she later proceeds to hump my brains out back at the hotel. No money is exchanged. At this point she tells me that she really likes me and is starting to feel "big love" for me, which I don't believe for a minute, but I just go with the flow. Now to put this into context, I am a single, attractive 38 year old male with a good job, so it is not so far fetched that she might genuinely like me. The icing on the cake is that in addition to the great sex (after which she always gives me a full body massage), she treats me like a god. She does not eat a bite of food or take a drink without offering me first. She opens and pours my beers and always treats me with great affection.
By the end of our second night, she asks me if she can accompany me to PP. Naturally I am hesitant, not knowing if I want to be tied down, but by this point I am kind of diggin' her and the whole girlfriend experience she is giving me. By this point I was also feeling a little burned out on sleeping with a different bar girl every night (which is what I was doing in Thailand). I mean, Amara was really giving me the royal treatment, which I had not received from any of the other girls I had been with up to that point. So, I decide what the hell, after all, she is great in the sack, treats me like a king, and is very pretty. In other words, I could do a lot worse. So, I agree to take her with me and buy her a plane ticket on my flight (her first plane ride). The way she grinned and giggled as we took off were priceless.
I make it a point to not become emotionally attached to this girl because there were a couple of red flags: She changed her story about her mother and father a few times, which was odd, and seemed pretty well versed in bedroom talk (in english of course) for someone who has only been with 4 guys. I also noticed she had two male American or European contacts in her phone who she claimed were just friends that she has known for awhile and never "boom-boomed". Not that I cared or was jealous, but I would just prefer her to be honest and not insult my intelligence. But I can understand her perspective, because she confided in me the first day that I met her that she felt that no man would ever be able to trust her while she worked in a KTV. Another strange thing was she received a call from someone (she was speaking in Khmer) and would not let me see who it was, even going so far as to remove the battery from her phone.
At any rate, we had a lovely time in Phnom Penh for the most part. We went out to eat, went sightseeing, and even went on a Mekong cruise for the half day. She in turn let me do to her what I wanted, as much as I wanted, whenever I wanted, all the while treating me like a king (feeding me fruit, massaging me etc).
So on my second to last day in Phnom Penh, I went alone to meet up with my buddy who by now is somewhat of a big-shot and he proceeds to offer me a good job (with expat salary) which I gladly accept (headed back to PP in 2 weeks to start!). I am super happy and exited and when I got back to the hotel (where Amara was waiting for me; I thought she would still be out at the salon) I called my family to tell them the good news, as well as Amara.
It was later that night that she went "psycho Khmer bitch" on me (a term I heard from another American living in PP). She told me that she was really in love with me and that if we didn't end up together that she could even go so far as to kill herself (barf). She kept talking shit about why would a "handsome man with big money" like me stay with her when I could have many more beautiful girls than her in PP. At this point I really wish I could get rid of her but I can't very well throw her out on the street. Eventually she calms down, gives me some sweet boom-boom and massage and by the next morning acts as if nothing happened. Except now she is professing her undying "big love" for me and how I make her "very happy heart". She wants to move in with me when I get back to PP in 2 weeks to which I say hell no. She then accompanies me to the airport to get my flight out of Cambodia; I give her $100 to make her way back to Siem Reap and to buy herself something nice, resolving to never contact her again because of the fact that she is a hooker after all and has a psycho side. A few times I also felt she took too many liberties with my cash, which I did not appreciate (ordering and/or wanting to buy expensive shit).
However, I do find myself strangely drawn to her. The sex is great and she treats me like every man wants to be treated. Now, I have been previously married twice and have never been one to fall in love over a piece of ass, but damn it sure is nice when a woman lets you do her every which way and then insists on rubbing your back and feet for half an hour after pouring you a beer.
I know that being a relatively young, single foreigner with a good job in PP, I can pretty much have my pick, but I would be lying if I said she has not gotten into my head a little bit. What do you guys think? Should I just move on? If she is really genuine, I could see myself spending more time with her and seeing where this goes. However, I just can't bring myself to totally trust her no matter how sincere she seems. Thanks for your feedback!
I came to Thailand for 3 weeks from the USA for a relaxing holiday and decided on a whim to hop over to Cambodia to visit Angkor Wat and see an old Cambodian classmate of mine (we went to grad school together) in Phnom Penh. So, I cut short my stay in Thailand and flew to Siem Reap for 3 days followed by PP for 4 days.
My second night in Siem Reap, I was feeling a bit lonely so I had my Tuk Tuk driver take me to a KTV bar. I think I was pretty much the only customer and it felt like heaven being in the midst of 30 or so available ladies. Naturally I picked the lady I found the most attractive (a very pretty, golden-skinned, 25 year old lady with a warm smile named Amara).
Now, I did have my share of bar girls whilst in Thailand. However, I found them to pretty business-like for the most part, without much genuine warmth. Quite different from my impression of Khmer ladies. While the Thai ladies, IMHO, are on average prettier than the Cambodian ladies, I find the Cambodian women to be much more sweet and warm, qualities that go a long way in my book.
So, I sit and talk with Amara in our private lounge in the KTV at which point she tells me what I feel is typical hooker bullshit--ie she has only been working at the KTV a very short time and has only been with 4 men in her life (including her ex-boyfriend), and how she has a really good heart and works in a beauty salon by day. Now all this might be true, but I am understandably skeptical. At any rate, I take her for short-time and had a really nice session with her ( she says that she came, but I think it is probably ego-stroking BS). She was very passionate and warm (even gave me a full body massage after making love) and afterwards invited me to her place. I didn't really feel comfortable with that so I told her that I would call her the next day so we could go out.
I call her the next day and invite her out for dinner, which she accepts. I bought a little stuffed animal for her and a rose because I did have a really great time the previous night. We go out for dinner on Pub street and she later proceeds to hump my brains out back at the hotel. No money is exchanged. At this point she tells me that she really likes me and is starting to feel "big love" for me, which I don't believe for a minute, but I just go with the flow. Now to put this into context, I am a single, attractive 38 year old male with a good job, so it is not so far fetched that she might genuinely like me. The icing on the cake is that in addition to the great sex (after which she always gives me a full body massage), she treats me like a god. She does not eat a bite of food or take a drink without offering me first. She opens and pours my beers and always treats me with great affection.
By the end of our second night, she asks me if she can accompany me to PP. Naturally I am hesitant, not knowing if I want to be tied down, but by this point I am kind of diggin' her and the whole girlfriend experience she is giving me. By this point I was also feeling a little burned out on sleeping with a different bar girl every night (which is what I was doing in Thailand). I mean, Amara was really giving me the royal treatment, which I had not received from any of the other girls I had been with up to that point. So, I decide what the hell, after all, she is great in the sack, treats me like a king, and is very pretty. In other words, I could do a lot worse. So, I agree to take her with me and buy her a plane ticket on my flight (her first plane ride). The way she grinned and giggled as we took off were priceless.
I make it a point to not become emotionally attached to this girl because there were a couple of red flags: She changed her story about her mother and father a few times, which was odd, and seemed pretty well versed in bedroom talk (in english of course) for someone who has only been with 4 guys. I also noticed she had two male American or European contacts in her phone who she claimed were just friends that she has known for awhile and never "boom-boomed". Not that I cared or was jealous, but I would just prefer her to be honest and not insult my intelligence. But I can understand her perspective, because she confided in me the first day that I met her that she felt that no man would ever be able to trust her while she worked in a KTV. Another strange thing was she received a call from someone (she was speaking in Khmer) and would not let me see who it was, even going so far as to remove the battery from her phone.
At any rate, we had a lovely time in Phnom Penh for the most part. We went out to eat, went sightseeing, and even went on a Mekong cruise for the half day. She in turn let me do to her what I wanted, as much as I wanted, whenever I wanted, all the while treating me like a king (feeding me fruit, massaging me etc).
So on my second to last day in Phnom Penh, I went alone to meet up with my buddy who by now is somewhat of a big-shot and he proceeds to offer me a good job (with expat salary) which I gladly accept (headed back to PP in 2 weeks to start!). I am super happy and exited and when I got back to the hotel (where Amara was waiting for me; I thought she would still be out at the salon) I called my family to tell them the good news, as well as Amara.
It was later that night that she went "psycho Khmer bitch" on me (a term I heard from another American living in PP). She told me that she was really in love with me and that if we didn't end up together that she could even go so far as to kill herself (barf). She kept talking shit about why would a "handsome man with big money" like me stay with her when I could have many more beautiful girls than her in PP. At this point I really wish I could get rid of her but I can't very well throw her out on the street. Eventually she calms down, gives me some sweet boom-boom and massage and by the next morning acts as if nothing happened. Except now she is professing her undying "big love" for me and how I make her "very happy heart". She wants to move in with me when I get back to PP in 2 weeks to which I say hell no. She then accompanies me to the airport to get my flight out of Cambodia; I give her $100 to make her way back to Siem Reap and to buy herself something nice, resolving to never contact her again because of the fact that she is a hooker after all and has a psycho side. A few times I also felt she took too many liberties with my cash, which I did not appreciate (ordering and/or wanting to buy expensive shit).
However, I do find myself strangely drawn to her. The sex is great and she treats me like every man wants to be treated. Now, I have been previously married twice and have never been one to fall in love over a piece of ass, but damn it sure is nice when a woman lets you do her every which way and then insists on rubbing your back and feet for half an hour after pouring you a beer.
I know that being a relatively young, single foreigner with a good job in PP, I can pretty much have my pick, but I would be lying if I said she has not gotten into my head a little bit. What do you guys think? Should I just move on? If she is really genuine, I could see myself spending more time with her and seeing where this goes. However, I just can't bring myself to totally trust her no matter how sincere she seems. Thanks for your feedback!
Wow, the level of douchebaggery on this forum is really unparallelled. Way too many cunts on their period lurking on this forum. Here's an idea: instead of leaving bitchy remarks, why not ignore the thread?
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I would like to reply before the less cordial members of this site begin berating you.
If you want no strings attached sex, then stick with the prostitutes.
If you want a real girlfriend, then do not date prostitutes. Get out of the bars and start meeting Khmer.
There are many lovely baggage free women in this country: from good families and some even have a career or business. It takes a little time and effort, but you can find a good woman in this country.
If you want no strings attached sex, then stick with the prostitutes.
If you want a real girlfriend, then do not date prostitutes. Get out of the bars and start meeting Khmer.
There are many lovely baggage free women in this country: from good families and some even have a career or business. It takes a little time and effort, but you can find a good woman in this country.
That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.
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Be careful. If you break it off with her the story may not end well. She'll end up with some other guy who will mistreat her and then you will follow him to his hotel room and cut him open. Keep that in mind.
Thanks for the response. This was my first time in SE Asia and having been married most of my adult life, I have never had any dealings with prostitutes before now, so I am not a veteran in that sense.
Wow, the level of douchebaggery on this forum is really unparallelled. Way too many cunts on their period lurking on this forum. Here's an idea: instead of leaving bitchy remarks, why not ignore the thread?
Wow, the level of douchebaggery on this forum is really unparallelled. Way too many cunts on their period lurking on this forum. Here's an idea: instead of leaving bitchy remarks, why not ignore the thread?
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This might be a great case of putting one of those embarrassing stories in the papers when something much bigger is happening elsewhere!!!
If you like her, stick with her and don't ask questions about her past. It can turn out as a wonderful love story, don't blow this away, she's trying very hard to make this work.
Just listen to your feelings.
If things turns wrong, what are you loosing? Time ? Money ? Who cares, you agree now she's worth your time and your money, so make it last.
Just listen to your feelings.
If things turns wrong, what are you loosing? Time ? Money ? Who cares, you agree now she's worth your time and your money, so make it last.
She sounds dangerous to me, run for the hills.
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Gee, what an exciting and unique troll.
Now kill yourself and have sex with the corpse.
Now kill yourself and have sex with the corpse.
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Keep in mind that there's plenty a bar girl will do that a typical good girl won't do. Bar girls know what's on the brains of foreign men and what's needed to keep them happy.
The hard part is finding the girl that hasn't been corrupted by the lifestyle.
Bar girls don't start out life as neurotic, stealing cheats.
The lifestyle moulds them.
The longer in the lifestyle, the less likely to change.
Maybe you should have a honest discussion with your girl.
A reset of sorts....
Good luck..
The hard part is finding the girl that hasn't been corrupted by the lifestyle.
Bar girls don't start out life as neurotic, stealing cheats.
The lifestyle moulds them.
The longer in the lifestyle, the less likely to change.
Maybe you should have a honest discussion with your girl.
A reset of sorts....
Good luck..
Jesus, you hormonal controlled guys will never learn it. In that country you can have either a whore or a Neanderthal (mostly both). Get real.connecticuter wrote: It takes a little time and effort, but you can find a good woman in this country.
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Keep telling yourself that.Pain wrote:Jesus, you hormonal controlled guys will never learn it. In that country you can have either a whore or a Neanderthal (mostly both). Get real.connecticuter wrote: It takes a little time and effort, but you can find a good woman in this country.
That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.
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This story certainly ticks all the boxes. Too perfect to be true, I suspect. Stephen Leather wannabe?
I came, I argued, I'm out
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