Scary NGO (?) invasion of privacy
Scary NGO (?) invasion of privacy
Last night on my usual evening walk my six year old daughter asked to come along. So we walked on a usual route along St 178 to the water front, right along to St 100 where we often go for coffee and know the tuk tuk guys and got a ride home (six year olds can't last the full distance). Went home uneventfully.
This morning my gate guard told me an interesting story. A moto driver who knows me and my wife saw someone following me on a moto and taking pics. Tall Khmer guy. He followed me down St 100 and followed my tuk tuk home still snapping. Then approached my guard still wearing a full face helmet and asked questions about whether I lived here and how many children I had. Afterwards the moto guy who knew my wife arrived and told the guard what this guy had been doing.
The question is What is going on? Is this an NGO paedophile scam in embryo, a kidnapper casing the joint, or a jealous boyfriend? The latter is highly unlikely - I drink in bars and never take girls out, and have no girlfriends on the side. Whatever the story it is scary.
This morning my gate guard told me an interesting story. A moto driver who knows me and my wife saw someone following me on a moto and taking pics. Tall Khmer guy. He followed me down St 100 and followed my tuk tuk home still snapping. Then approached my guard still wearing a full face helmet and asked questions about whether I lived here and how many children I had. Afterwards the moto guy who knew my wife arrived and told the guard what this guy had been doing.
The question is What is going on? Is this an NGO paedophile scam in embryo, a kidnapper casing the joint, or a jealous boyfriend? The latter is highly unlikely - I drink in bars and never take girls out, and have no girlfriends on the side. Whatever the story it is scary.
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Nasty. It does look like someone working for APLE but you can't be sure. We've been in situations with people stalking us for nefarious purposes, and like you, crucially, the locals - motodops, tuktuk drivers, security guards etc were on our side. Ask them to keep a look-out if this or another person appears to be lurking. One could pretend to befriend him to find out what he's up to; otherwise they could intimidate him.
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that is seriously out of order, scary and a waste of money if this is how some 'ngo's operate. Any western dude with a young child is immediately on the 'watch' list. It's a sad, sad world we live in.
by the way, there are reports of similar things happening in Australia and the UK, so this isn't just a Cambodian thing. One report I remember from a few weeks ago was of a grandfather who was watched and then had the police called in on him, just for being with his grandchild at the beach. The people behind that were those ones that have a strong presence in Cambodia too (those women who have been seen photographing people... I forget the name of the organisation they are with).
by the way, there are reports of similar things happening in Australia and the UK, so this isn't just a Cambodian thing. One report I remember from a few weeks ago was of a grandfather who was watched and then had the police called in on him, just for being with his grandchild at the beach. The people behind that were those ones that have a strong presence in Cambodia too (those women who have been seen photographing people... I forget the name of the organisation they are with).
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You walked at night with a 6 years old little girl from 178 to street 100 ?
Are you training her for a marathon ?
Are you training her for a marathon ?
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^violet: International Justice Mission? Fundie Christian organisation.
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It's not nice to be profiled like that, but nobody's been hurt. If something similar stops an actual beast abusing a child then is it still 'seriously out of order'?
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No... neither of those. It's going to bug me unless someone else comes up with the name.andyinasia wrote:^violet: International Justice Mission? Fundie Christian organisation.
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I'd like to think they can use their resources in a more effective way. And, yes, I do think it is out of order, but perhaps not for the reasons you think. I think this world has become a ridiculous place (more so than in the past) as we now have people feeling they have to take these steps in order to keep children safe. .... it wasn't like this when I was growing up.BURLESQUE@SDHHOTEL wrote:It's not nice to be profiled like that, but nobody's been hurt. If something similar stops an actual beast abusing a child then is it still 'seriously out of order'?
and really, can anyone ever express their opinion without someone wanting to jump on it, rather than focussing on the original post and containing their own post to their opinion on the matter. It's so bloody tiring reading threads get into a tennis match over what other people write.
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The plot thickens. My wife has been talking directly to the motodop who is well known to her and our neighbor. Apparently there were two followers on the waterfront. One Khmer and one foreigner. The latter was tall, thinnish and youngish and the snapper of pics. He was the one who jumped on a moto and followed us home from the Post Office square. He then phoned up the Khmer with the full face helmet who approached our guard and asked questions.
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Bravehearts!violet wrote:....... The people behind that were those ones that have a strong presence in Cambodia too (those women who have been seen photographing people... I forget the name of the organisation they are with).
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I guess that depends on how you define 'hurt' - my wife and I are seriously worried about this invasion of privacy, and my wife is very angry at the implications. I would not like to be the foreigner photographer if she caught up with him.BURLESQUE@SDHHOTEL wrote:It's not nice to be profiled like that, but nobody's been hurt. If something similar stops an actual beast abusing a child then is it still 'seriously out of order'?
Perhaps you might like to think how you would feel if you found someone had been following you and photographing you without permission - and ponder on the destination for those photos? Are they now in some catalogue of suspected paedophiles and child traffickers? Will they be passed around to other organisations? I know I am on some Mossad files because I had the temerity to work in Palestine for the British Aid organisation and I could hear the camera shutter clicking behind the one way glass at the border crossing from Gaza to Egypt while I was being asked questions. But this incident yesterday is another kettle of fish entirely.
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Yes. Should you similarly demand complete and full access to everyone's e-mail, browsing history, etc.? Should everyone be guilty until proven innocent? The brouhaha over the NSA tells you that a significant number of people think that's wrong. This is just another manifestation of the same thing. Why should I not be able to walk around with my kids without being followed, photographed and questioned because a tiny minority of the world consists of paedophiles?BURLESQUE@SDHHOTEL wrote:It's not nice to be profiled like that, but nobody's been hurt. If something similar stops an actual beast abusing a child then is it still 'seriously out of order'?
If you're going to do proper investigations and there's reasonable suspicion then alert the authorities and support them to undertake proper surveillance and evidence gathering, then arrest the perps. I'm sure these people have more than enough funds to do so, but instead they've taken to hassling ordinary people on the off-chance that they may be perverts. Nice.
With all due respect but are you totally fucking nuts ?? What do you mean with “nobody’s been hurt” ?????? These rogue animals are allowed to roam the streets. Nobody does anything against them. YES, they Do hurt/harm people. They do it all the time. They get paid to hurt/harm people and that what the OP has described is just the tip of the iceberg.BURLESQUE@SDHHOTEL wrote:It's not nice to be profiled like that, but nobody's been hurt.
To the OP. you were lucky that the motodops told you and that they where on your side. VERY LUCKY !!!! But now because you know that something is going on I’d suggest you to do an intense investigation and report the case to your embassy.
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