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You moved to Cambodia because they would let you. Permissive. All the dudes who have moved over from Thailand lately have done so for cheap beer and hookers and no visa rules. Most countries don't allow people with no money and no jobs to just move in. Cambodia does, but don't complain that they won't permanently guarantee it.
Imagine if you showed up at a stranger's house with nowhere else to go. If he were gracious enough to take you in and let you stay for a day, a week, or a year, I think it would be unreasonable for you to then say, "Hey, I don't like that you can kick me out at any time, put my name on the deed."
Imagine if you showed up at a stranger's house with nowhere else to go. If he were gracious enough to take you in and let you stay for a day, a week, or a year, I think it would be unreasonable for you to then say, "Hey, I don't like that you can kick me out at any time, put my name on the deed."
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I didn't move here for those reasons, and I'm not kvetching.gavinmac wrote:I find it odd that some guys seem to move to Cambodia because it is permissive and "edgy" and has no rule of law, but then they kvetch that Cambodia won't provide them with firm legal guarantees and rules allowing them and their families to stay.Chuangt2u wrote: Need a real spousal visa.
If you move to one of the most lawless countries on earth, I don't think it's reasonable to then say, "Hey, where are the carefully crafted laws allowing me to stay here forever, I'm outraged that the government doesn't make this a priority."
This is not one of the most lawless countries on Earth, and I'm not claiming outrage.
All of that just came from you, not me. None of that's my view.
She's not retired and is nowhere near retirement age.gavinmac wrote:If retirees don't need a work permit, and if your wife hasn't worked since 2007, maybe you should just say she's retired. If she decides to work, she can unretire and get a work permit.Chuangt2u wrote: Ermmm, and I'm not.
She's from the PI, and apart from a brief sojourn with a local Smiley NGO, she quit work just after we got married in 2007.
Not stressing out, where did you get that from?ricky wrote:Well, if it's investments and "regulation safe", with a Filipina wife you could build much more than a doghouse in the Philippines. There's also a one year spousal visa if I'm not mistaken. Have you been there? Of course it's not the same but on a global scale it's comparable to here. When was the last time stressing out solved a problem for you?
And of course I've been to the Philippines.
My input to the work permit issue/discussion here has been to suggest that we wait for the guidelines that the MLVT has said they will publish, in English, and to say there's been no mention of spousal visas.
I'll match that idiot and raise it to clown.ricecakes wrote:Who the Fuck moved here because it was permissive and edgy ? I moved here because I met my wife here and also wanted to experience living in SEA. I'd like the option to stay here into the future WITH MY FAMILY without fear of having to leave. Is that too much to ask ???gavinmac wrote:I find it odd that some guys seem to move to Cambodia because it is permissive and "edgy" and has no rule of law, but then they kvetch that Cambodia won't provide them with firm legal guarantees and rules allowing them and their families to stay.Chuangt2u wrote: Need a real spousal visa.
If you move to one of the most lawless countries on earth, I don't think it's reasonable to then say, "Hey, where are the carefully crafted laws allowing me to stay here forever, I'm outraged that the government doesn't make this a priority."
Idiot.
Perhaps if there were any real-world chance of gavinmac ever getting married, he'd know what 'spousal visa' meant.
And that, from LL.Lucky Lucan wrote:It is going to be, because the ministries involved are quite aware that they will collect much more money by checking out the paperwork. It used to be easy to just fob the peons off with a few dollars in baksheesh, but their bosses have figured out that they can make a lot more by enforcing the rules.ricecakes wrote:I don't think it's going to be hard to dummy up letters from employers.
Plus, you'd be living waiting for a knock on the door re fake paperwork... who the hell wants that for the sake of a measly Franklin?
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Of course it's one of the most lawless countries on earth. Reasonable people won't debate that. It didn't just come from me, you can read this 2014 article in the Phnom Penh Post, titled "Low Ranking for Rule of Law."Chuangt2u wrote:
I didn't move here for those reasons, and I'm not kvetching.
This is not one of the most lawless countries on Earth, and I'm not claiming outrage.
All of that just came from you, not me. None of that's my view.
"The World Justice Project yesterday ranked Cambodia 91st out of 99 nations and at the bottom of the barrel regionally in terms of its devotion to the rule of law, despite its midlevel performance in terms of providing order and security.
In its annual Rule of Law Index – which measures key indicators like checks on government power, absence of corruption and fundamental rights – the WJP found that Cambodia’s 'adherence to the rule of law' was the worst in the East Asia & Pacific region."
I know what it means; the countries that offer spousal visas will let you stay there if you are married to citizen of that country. I don't think it would help your wife; countries generally don't give out spousal visas to foreigners with foreign spouses, that would kind of defeat the purpose.Chuangt2u wrote: Perhaps if there were any real-world chance of gavinmac ever getting married, he'd know what 'spousal visa' meant.
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Actually some do, two that I knowI don't think it would help your wife; countries generally don't give out spousal visas to foreigners with foreign spouses,
A friend of mine ( actually 2 ) live/work in Myanmar.
both spouses get a long term visa to stay
Thailand; if one his working or retired, the spouse can be "attached" an get a long term visa as well
"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." HST
Absurd! They don’t have a spousal visa category for foreigners who provide for their Cambodian family, yet they offer citizenship to questionable characters.
Kind of puts things in perspective for me as I’m complaining about of lack of visa category for retired people under 50, of which a CD/proof of external income suffices for many other countries.
Kind of puts things in perspective for me as I’m complaining about of lack of visa category for retired people under 50, of which a CD/proof of external income suffices for many other countries.
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Does your home country allow anyone under 50 to move there permanently just by showing a few thousand dollars in the bank? Why would you complain about Cambodia not offering this? It's their prerogative to allow under 50 whoremongers and layabouts and online poker players to move there, or not. There are pros and cons :the pros being more money spent in the country by Westerners, the cons being cleaning up the dead white bodies in Sihanoukville.hexgator wrote: Kind of puts things in perspective for me as I’m complaining about of lack of visa category for retired people under 50, of which a CD/proof of external income suffices for many other countries.
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A better comparison might be regionally, Thailand offers under 50 a 5 year visa for 500,000 baht, a 20 year visa for 2,000,000 baht but with many incentives. Malaysia offers a long term visa, for approximately $100,000 CD, plus $3,000 external monthly income. Singapore, splinter elaborated on.gavinmac wrote:Does your home country allow anyone under 50 to move there permanently just by showing a few thousand dollars in the bank? Why would you complain about Cambodia not offering this? It's their prerogative to allow under 50 whoremongers and layabouts and online poker players to move there, or not. There are pros and cons :the pros being more money spent in the country by Westerners, the cons being cleaning up the dead white bodies in Sihanoukville.hexgator wrote: Kind of puts things in perspective for me as I’m complaining about of lack of visa category for retired people under 50, of which a CD/proof of external income suffices for many other countries.
gavinmac wrote:
"In theory, this makes sense, but in reality, the Khmers have no way of knowing whether a foreigner is retired in Cambodia or working online from Cambodia."
In fact, it should not matter. The economy benefits more from those working online. They should just keep to fining those caught working (outside the first year, where it seems you can do this without permit). It's nearly impossible for them to prove where your income comes from on such a job and you are spending it in their country, while you do not have to
All this knashing of teeth and wailing and quoting regs on the books is kind of a hoot. They can do whatever they want to, we have NO recourse but to board a plane. It's fairly famous for ignoring the "rule of law" no? All one can really do is have an escape plan and fund ready and enjoy it until such a time.
It's part of the excitement of living in there no? Like the traffic habits and...well, most everything. I seriously doubt they are swell headed enough to think they are just as good as Thailand and start up an expensive retirement visa plan just like it. You'd have to have rocks in your head to go along with that. The MAIN thing that makes them a player at this time is easy and cheap one year visa. They are surrounded with nice option countries. If they went up to area rates, the outflow would be considerable. Malaysia, VN, Indonesia and the like would gain methinks. Best to just have a plan B and/or C and enjoy for the time being.
"In theory, this makes sense, but in reality, the Khmers have no way of knowing whether a foreigner is retired in Cambodia or working online from Cambodia."
In fact, it should not matter. The economy benefits more from those working online. They should just keep to fining those caught working (outside the first year, where it seems you can do this without permit). It's nearly impossible for them to prove where your income comes from on such a job and you are spending it in their country, while you do not have to
All this knashing of teeth and wailing and quoting regs on the books is kind of a hoot. They can do whatever they want to, we have NO recourse but to board a plane. It's fairly famous for ignoring the "rule of law" no? All one can really do is have an escape plan and fund ready and enjoy it until such a time.
It's part of the excitement of living in there no? Like the traffic habits and...well, most everything. I seriously doubt they are swell headed enough to think they are just as good as Thailand and start up an expensive retirement visa plan just like it. You'd have to have rocks in your head to go along with that. The MAIN thing that makes them a player at this time is easy and cheap one year visa. They are surrounded with nice option countries. If they went up to area rates, the outflow would be considerable. Malaysia, VN, Indonesia and the like would gain methinks. Best to just have a plan B and/or C and enjoy for the time being.
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Yes, you have to buy those Thai visas for those amounts, not just show money in the bank. Is that what expats in Cambodia want, the ability to pay $3,300 a year to stay? It certainly would keep out the riff raff.hexgator wrote:
A better comparison might be regionally, Thailand offers under 50 a 5 year visa for 500,000 baht, a 20 year visa for 2,000,000 baht but with many incentives. Malaysia offers a long term visa, for approximately $100,000 CD, plus $3,000 external monthly income. Singapore, splinter elaborated on.
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Yes, but it would an outflow of bottom feeders, which some would say is a good thing. The Thais certainly thought it was.Gasser wrote:If they went up to area rates, the outflow would be considerable. Malaysia, VN, Indonesia and the like would gain methinks.
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Why not, relative to Thailand, how much would Cambodia be worth? 75%/50%/25% of $3,300?gavinmac wrote:Yes, you have to buy those Thai visas for those amounts, not just show money in the bank. Is that what expats in Cambodia want, the ability to pay $3,300 a year to stay? It certainly would keep out the riff raff.hexgator wrote:
A better comparison might be regionally, Thailand offers under 50 a 5 year visa for 500,000 baht, a 20 year visa for 2,000,000 baht but with many incentives. Malaysia offers a long term visa, for approximately $100,000 CD, plus $3,000 external monthly income. Singapore, splinter elaborated on.
you really can be a DICK sometimes. Which gross exaggeration do I address first, hmmm I think the legions of scum with no money that only drink and chase whores. Bullshit. i CAN'T be the only guy that goes there and does neither. And no money? well, that's just stupid. How does one get into a country and chase whores and drink all day with no money? He came because they LET him? fuck, they want ppl in, we ALL spend money. They're in no position to do a Thai "we'll only let the rich stay long time" plan. Tho maybe they think they are now? I'm not even going into the stranger comes to your house to be a guest thing, totally stupid. Lousy analogy. How bout, would you let a guy come into your bar and milk one beer all day? More to the point.gavinmac wrote:You moved to Cambodia because they would let you. Permissive. All the dudes who have moved over from Thailand lately have done so for cheap beer and hookers and no visa rules. Most countries don't allow people with no money and no jobs to just move in. Cambodia does, but don't complain that they won't permanently guarantee it.
Imagine if you showed up at a stranger's house with nowhere else to go. If he were gracious enough to take you in and let you stay for a day, a week, or a year, I think it would be unreasonable for you to then say, "Hey, I don't like that you can kick me out at any time, put my name on the deed."
NOW, for a long time they've been ok to do that. Few visitors milk one beer all day so to speak. All you "I got mine, quick, pull up the ladder" guys bug me. How would it hurt Cambodia to allow people to stay that spend even three times what a Khmer spends? It's not like they'll get cancer and end up in a hospital on run up a half a million in debt that the taxpayer ends up stuck with.
I think it would be time better spent to develop a real police force, arrest the trouble makers, and deport and black list them. The assumption that the quality of a human is well measured by the amount of money he has is just stupid. All this crap about bottom feeders, bogans, drunken whore chasers (which could well apply to many of those slinging this shit), is just that. I'm sure MOST get cycled thru Cambodia like fat through a goose and those that don't should be nabbed quickly and booted and barred. I suspect many times their number are living on very low money and not causing anyone a bit of trouble as well as being good neighbors in the villages they dwell in.
btw, I would clean up dead white bodies in Snooky, for a long term visa, hell, I'd even clean up the occasional live white body too.
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Could be another great front page article coming up from GavinMac. Titled ;
Manifesto from a Hostess Bar
How Cambodia could rid itself of the Undesirables
One mans crusade against the white lice of Cambodia
Manifesto from a Hostess Bar
How Cambodia could rid itself of the Undesirables
One mans crusade against the white lice of Cambodia
"I don't care what the people are thinking, i ain't drunk i'm just drinking"
I'm going for the no money and no job.Gasser wrote:you really can be a DICK sometimes. Which gross exaggeration do I address first,...gavinmac wrote:You moved to Cambodia because they would let you. Permissive. All the dudes who have moved over from Thailand lately have done so for cheap beer and hookers and no visa rules. Most countries don't allow people with no money and no jobs to just move in. Cambodia does, but don't complain that they won't permanently guarantee it.
Imagine if you showed up at a stranger's house with nowhere else to go. If he were gracious enough to take you in and let you stay for a day, a week, or a year, I think it would be unreasonable for you to then say, "Hey, I don't like that you can kick me out at any time, put my name on the deed."
I'm looking for a visa for my wife, who I've supported for 8 years. How did I do that with no money or no job?
gavinmac, you keep arguing that your views about the type of person who chooses to live here are some kind of immutable fact - they're not.
I don't drink beyond 3 beers occasionally of an evening, I don't chase hookers, I'm not an unemployed layabout with a substance abuse problem, and I follow visa rules. In fact, that last point is my whole point. I'd like to be able to continue to work here and continue supporting my wife, who I hope will be able to get a spousal visa.
No. It's a visa for the spouse of a person working here - you know - a spousal visa.gavinmac wrote:I know what it means; the countries that offer spousal visas will let you stay there if you are married to citizen of that country. I don't think it would help your wife; countries generally don't give out spousal visas to foreigners with foreign spouses, that would kind of defeat the purpose.Chuangt2u wrote: Perhaps if there were any real-world chance of gavinmac ever getting married, he'd know what 'spousal visa' meant.
Phuket2006 wrote:Actually some do, two that I knowI don't think it would help your wife; countries generally don't give out spousal visas to foreigners with foreign spouses,
A friend of mine ( actually 2 ) live/work in Myanmar.
both spouses get a long term visa to stay
Thailand; if one his working or retired, the spouse can be "attached" an get a long term visa as well
gavinmac, your argument reflects what you see here, which I think is telling of how you spend your time in Cambodia.
If you think that everyone here is like that, then you obviously spend all of your time in the circles of the tiny number that live that way, which would put you squarely in the sights of your own argument that dropouts and derelicts be purged.
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