Main reason I'm in Phnom Penh after seeing the traffic & pollution nightmares of the likes of KL, Jakarta, Manila, Bangkok! Yes Phnom Penh is going the same direction but the worst isn't here yet by a long shot, so it's still comparatively pleasant compared to most other SEA capital cities. Complete lack of industry also helps. (Everyone bemoans the slow pace of development but let's admit there's "perks" to that..)mrdome wrote:Many Asian cities, like Phnom Penh, can barely cope in the busy inner areas and with growing affluence and not much room to move, it won't get better, it'll get worse.
My neighbour has a Lamborghini
To be fair, if pollution controls are instituted (which many places they aren't), then it's not so bad. I've lived in a lot of tightly regulated cities, but the place I've replaced the most cabin filters in my vehicles in is here in Cambodia (I didn't have a car in Vietnam though, so that would have made it worse for sure). Most of the pollution honestly in Phnom Penh comes from the motos and lorries, not the cars (although I know you weren't referring to PP specifically in your example). Cars here are the cleanest running vehicles on the road while a moto can scarily put out 90 times more CO and all sorts of other nasty stuff with it's complete lack of emission controls. It's mind boggling, but if you put a little moto on the sniffer and then a massive Land Cruiser, the one to fail the cleanliness test wouldn't be the 380 hp V8, but the 5 hp little bike.mrdome wrote:While that may be the case statistically, in inner urban areas cars are the most concentrated source for air pollution/ emissions. Most of the other sources reach us over a longer distance and diluted in most cases. Cars turn cities into nightmares.AE86 wrote:Dagenham wrote:Also, cars don't make that big of an impact on emissions compared to agriculture, trucking, airplanes and electricity generation. Even if we ALL stopped driving our cars and walked, we're still producing 80% as much of the greenhouse gases than if we were driving.DetroitMuscle wrote:Nice cars.
Many Asian cities, like Phnom Penh, can barely cope in the busy inner areas and with growing affluence and not much room to move, it won't get better, it'll get worse.
Reckless driving cucumber - 成
Yet another sensible post by meta-dude...touche, mate...whenever peeps moan and bitch about traffic here it's clear that they don't ever travel to other major Asian cities. PP aint nothing by comparison. At all. Nothing. Period. Double Period.metaleap wrote:Main reason I'm in Phnom Penh after seeing the traffic & pollution nightmares of the likes of KL, Jakarta, Manila, Bangkok! Yes Phnom Penh is going the same direction but the worst isn't here yet by a long shot, so it's still comparatively pleasant compared to most other SEA capital cities. Complete lack of industry also helps. (Everyone bemoans the slow pace of development but let's admit there's "perks" to that..)mrdome wrote:Many Asian cities, like Phnom Penh, can barely cope in the busy inner areas and with growing affluence and not much room to move, it won't get better, it'll get worse.
I love fish and chips with vinegar in newspaper!!!
Somewhat off topic, but the reason I get mad at traffic here doesn't have to do with the amount of traffic, but rather the "stupidness" of the traffic. Things would flow so much better here if people would pay attention to others and not clog up every possible gap because there's really not that many cars and bikes here compared to other cities.
Reckless driving cucumber - 成
true that. My strategy is "slow, slow, and more slow". Really slow. No taking "opportunities" (i.e. gaps in between vehicles, in the passing lane often - I almost never pass, driving next to grandma and the family - stay in the "body" of the flow, etc.). Hence, I aint never been "down" and almost never even have close calls in over 20 years on a scooter daily (in various SE Asian countries).AE86 wrote:Somewhat off topic, but the reason I get mad at traffic here doesn't have to do with the amount of traffic, but rather the "stupidness" of the traffic. Things would flow so much better here if people would pay attention to others and not clog up every possible gap because there's really not that many cars and bikes here compared to other cities.
Of course, no one ever does this. They are always in a hurry and take chances because of impatience and frustration. Peeps of all colours are guilty of this.
Heaps of white boys on enduros are some of the most flagrant with their aggressive driving.
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I love fish and chips with vinegar in newspaper!!!
Case in point - new roundabout after Japanese Bridge on Chroy Chung Var side. Result? Idiots going the wrong way around so as to save 0.3 seconds doing a 25%, rather than 75%, turn of the roundabout. AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....................AE86 wrote:Somewhat off topic, but the reason I get mad at traffic here doesn't have to do with the amount of traffic, but rather the "stupidness" of the traffic. Things would flow so much better here if people would pay attention to others and not clog up every possible gap because there's really not that many cars and bikes here compared to other cities.
I find it interesting that when Khmers are driving they always seem to be in such a rush that they'll run red lights, pull in front of people without looking, and drive into oncoming traffic. This is odd because it seems to be a national past time to be late and/or not overly concerned with haste.Dagenham wrote:true that. My strategy is "slow, slow, and more slow". Really slow. No taking "opportunities" (i.e. gaps in between vehicles, in the passing lane often - I almost never pass, driving next to grandma and the family - stay in the "body" of the flow, etc.). Hence, I aint never been "down" and almost never even have close calls in over 20 years on a scooter daily (in various SE Asian countries).AE86 wrote:Somewhat off topic, but the reason I get mad at traffic here doesn't have to do with the amount of traffic, but rather the "stupidness" of the traffic. Things would flow so much better here if people would pay attention to others and not clog up every possible gap because there's really not that many cars and bikes here compared to other cities.
Of course, no one ever does this. They are always in a hurry and take chances because of impatience and frustration. Peeps of all colours are guilty of this.
Heaps of white boys on enduros are some of the most flagrant with their aggressive driving.
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