Tipping culture among expats
I get a haircut from one of the street barbers - $3. Tip .50. It's more fun, though, to go to the beauty shop on 38th, have a girl cut it for $2.50, and tip her $1. I like her smile better.
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In America.... I've never had to shout at my waiter or waitress because he/she was more concerned with Pirate Kings on their mobile phone..wackyjacky wrote:^^^^ I completely disagree. I like tipping. One can reward good service & punish bad. It also weeds out bad waiters, because they don't make much. IME service isn't as attentive & friendly in counties where it's included in the bill. Same in the States when it's a big party and included.
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Mmm, I doubt thatJock Jock wrote:2) It makes it a lot cheaper for the employer to hire staff, this is generally shown in the price of your meal/drink etc.
So without tipping, you'd pay $10 for the meal.
But the owner saves on tipping so he sells it for $9.50, and you add 15%, which comes to more than the original cost.
Your theory doesn't take into account the owner being greedy, and the kind of owner who isn't prepared to pay a decent salary is almost guaranteed to be greedy.
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The intense competition in the marketplace will prevent any owner from overcharging.....whatever his motivation is.
In countries where tipping is not the practice, restaurants and such must pay higher wages to attract staff. Any guesses on who pays for that?
As a bar owner, I probably have a little different perspective because I see how much my staff appreciates tips. In Cambodia a little can go a long way. If a guy watches my moto while I shop.........I throw him a thousand riel and it is smiles all around. I personally leave a buck for a small tab, or around 10-20% for a larger tab at a restaurant. Which, by the way.......greatly irritates my wife when we eat at a nice place. But, I am a Yank.........it is my culture, and it is what I choose to do. To each his own, but I do think it is a very smart idea to take care of the drivers you use every day, or the people who work at places you frequent every day. IMO, it is a very small investment in some goodwill that might be helpful if you are ever in a bind.
In countries where tipping is not the practice, restaurants and such must pay higher wages to attract staff. Any guesses on who pays for that?
As a bar owner, I probably have a little different perspective because I see how much my staff appreciates tips. In Cambodia a little can go a long way. If a guy watches my moto while I shop.........I throw him a thousand riel and it is smiles all around. I personally leave a buck for a small tab, or around 10-20% for a larger tab at a restaurant. Which, by the way.......greatly irritates my wife when we eat at a nice place. But, I am a Yank.........it is my culture, and it is what I choose to do. To each his own, but I do think it is a very smart idea to take care of the drivers you use every day, or the people who work at places you frequent every day. IMO, it is a very small investment in some goodwill that might be helpful if you are ever in a bind.
For sure, in the US the owner is legally allowed to pay their staff 60% less wages because of the tipping system. The US government taxes service industry employees differently to take into account most of their wages come from gratuities. Okay yeah it might end up the same price after the tip, I'll accept that, but that doesn't negate the facts that you get better service from more professional, more polite servers and it makes it far easier for an owner to employ staff. I worked delivering pies in Fort Lauderdale many moons ago, I got about 40$ a shift in wages and another 50$ to, up to anything really, $200 in tips. Obviously I made damn sure I got the pies to the punters as quickly as I could, and was polite and friendly on arrival, that's how I made my money.vladimir wrote:Mmm, I doubt thatJock Jock wrote:2) It makes it a lot cheaper for the employer to hire staff, this is generally shown in the price of your meal/drink etc.
So without tipping, you'd pay $10 for the meal.
But the owner saves on tipping so he sells it for $9.50, and you add 15%, which comes to more than the original cost.
Your theory doesn't take into account the owner being greedy, and the kind of owner who isn't prepared to pay a decent salary is almost guaranteed to be greedy.
I think your theory is not taking into account most 'greedy' business owners have some knowledge of business and such things as the elasticity of demand.
It's true. Why on earth should they have been speaking English? Anyhow I think that the problem was they didn't want to say they had run out of the original. After the third time they asked I should have either changed the order or cancelled it. I wasn't aware that fast food staff in the States were tipped? I did shove an empty ketchup wrapper in the tip box by mistake though. I'm not a bloody charity worker,I can't afford to be because the wealthy are taking it off me here as well, but I will support them if I can when the time comes.scobienz wrote:SCC wrote:
I was in KFC yesterday, I ordered an original chicken burger. The staff of 3 all asked me at dif times in very bad English whether I wanted the original or the spicy. I guess they must have asked about 10 times in all. 7 mins wait. Got home, you guessed it.
It's outrageous that they asked you in very bad English when they could have asked you in perfect Khmer. Did you leave a tip?
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Or it may turn around and bite you in the ass one day when your cards have been nicked and you only have $1 on you, which you know is enough to get you home, but the driver is asking 3.LoneStar wrote:The intense competition in the marketplace will prevent any owner from overcharging.....whatever his motivation is.
In countries where tipping is not the practice, restaurants and such must pay higher wages to attract staff. Any guesses on who pays for that?
As a bar owner, I probably have a little different perspective because I see how much my staff appreciates tips. In Cambodia a little can go a long way. If a guy watches my moto while I shop.........I throw him a thousand riel and it is smiles all around. I personally leave a buck for a small tab, or around 10-20% for a larger tab at a restaurant. Which, by the way.......greatly irritates my wife when we eat at a nice place. But, I am a Yank.........it is my culture, and it is what I choose to do. To each his own, but I do think it is a very smart idea to take care of the drivers you use every day, or the people who work at places you frequent every day. IMO, it is a very small investment in some goodwill that might be helpful if you are ever in a bind.
I would tip more if the prices were more local. When they are, I give a tip in appreciation of their honesty. I've noticed locals tip when they feel like it .
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If $1 is enough to get you home in a tuk tuk, you are close enough to walk.SCC wrote: Or it may turn around and bite you in the ass one day when your cards have been nicked and you only have $1 on you, which you know is enough to get you home, but the driver is asking 3.
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It is interesting to note that at a Khmer wedding...........the expats will put far less in the envelopes than will the Khmers.
I personally think the idea that we are getting screwed with a white face tax every day is a little off the mark. I am in the markets all the time both alone and with my wife........and the only difference I see is that she can be bothered to haggle for 30 minutes over a few riel, when I don't have the patience for it.
I personally think the idea that we are getting screwed with a white face tax every day is a little off the mark. I am in the markets all the time both alone and with my wife........and the only difference I see is that she can be bothered to haggle for 30 minutes over a few riel, when I don't have the patience for it.
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As a Yank and the OP, a follow up question; If you are from a 1st world that doesn't typically tip, if your spending power increased in Cambodia, did you find yourself beginning to tip? Perhaps just because you had more of a disposable income due to the low cost of living in Cambodia.
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Will have to say, despite being British, any wanker that doesn't tip is a sad pathetic cnut who would be better off going home and living off social security. Totally with the Americans on this one, the rest of you are fcuking retards.
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So in your queer logic,you are punishing the server and not the culprit,the owner.Kudos.
redhooligan wrote:No disagreement, wacky. However, to be expected to pay 15-20% standard-- or more-- to fund someone's salary above the cost of the bill is an unacceptable model to me, at least. Reward above-and-beyond service, yes. Supplement an income, yes. Pay someone's staff, no way!
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