But you already know as that's what you stated in your op.GMJS-440 wrote: I fail to see why anybody would choose to go to S'ville over Kep or Kampot and am hoping to find out something I didn't know about Sville which attracts the tourists.
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This seems closely related to the thread I started earlier so I'm merging the two.
Well yes, i know crackheads are attracted to crack however I am not curious about the drug addicts. Why would any non-bottomfeeder decide to visit is the real enquiry.YaTingPom wrote:But you already know as that's what you stated in your op.GMJS-440 wrote: I fail to see why anybody would choose to go to S'ville over Kep or Kampot and am hoping to find out something I didn't know about Sville which attracts the tourists.
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Never seen this thread, but from my perspective: the PP vs SHK thing is like the pensioner/married vs teacher/online worker thing in Thailand.
People reek of elitism, which I'm sure isn't true in most cases. The PP vs SHK thing is more likely to be a joke (neither are Thailand, but SHK has a beach ), but the legal Thai status thing is 90% elitism.
But elitism is still elitism and it stinks.
Maybe I hate it so much because my government officials back home claim expenses for moats around their second home and tax payers pay the bill.
People reek of elitism, which I'm sure isn't true in most cases. The PP vs SHK thing is more likely to be a joke (neither are Thailand, but SHK has a beach ), but the legal Thai status thing is 90% elitism.
But elitism is still elitism and it stinks.
Maybe I hate it so much because my government officials back home claim expenses for moats around their second home and tax payers pay the bill.
At a guess. Tourists are attracted to tourism. Possibly.GMJS-440 wrote:Well yes, i know crackheads are attracted to crack however I am not curious about the drug addicts. Why would any non-bottomfeeder decide to visit is the real enquiry.YaTingPom wrote:But you already know as that's what you stated in your op.GMJS-440 wrote: I fail to see why anybody would choose to go to S'ville over Kep or Kampot and am hoping to find out something I didn't know about Sville which attracts the tourists.
Are you asking us why people go to SHV (tourists) or are you telling us it's full of peado's, drug addicts and losers? Are the latter tourists or are they expats?
Why did you go to SHV to establish that it's full of these undesirables or have you just read about it?
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Ok, I've just got home after work and this is the first comment I've read. So with no malice carried from any other comments here ( lets face it, its 3 pages already and I'm pretty sure S/ville will be mentioned) I will give you my honest feelings.scobienz wrote:Something I've been wondering about lately is how expats in different major centres of Cambodia react differently to comments about where they live. It's a curious phenomenon and it seems to vary from city to city.
This particularly applies to Sihanoukville, so often the butt of online jibes. Whenever someone like gavinmac does his usual thing and cracks a joke about Sihanoukville (and most of us are guilty of it) posters who live there get very defensive, even what I would call aggressively defensive. Then they make some retaliatory comment about Phnom Penh. Why is that? Why not just laugh along? Why take it personally?
I live in Phnom Penh. I don't love it. I don't hate it. It's a stinking shitty place, but with some charm and some attractions. When people attack it, I either don't care or I generally agree that, yes, it is a dump. I get the impression most Phnom Penh expats take a similar approach, or at least I've never seen anyone indignantly defend it.
Then there was the weird collective defensiveness of the Kampot community during the Arcadia rape incident. A 440 lurker raised that with me a couple of weeks ago over a beer, asking what on earth it was all about and how strange it looked from outside.
It never seems to be an issue for Siem Reap expats though, most of whom are quietly confident about their living choice and who couldn't care less what other people think of the place. There seems to be a deep satisfaction within Siem Reap based expats.
Is it something to do with what people do for a living, perhaps? I genuinely don't know. Or is it something deeper? Or am I talking bollocks? Most likely.
Phnom Penh is, to me, just another city. Its cold and heartless like cities everywhere tend to be. The people that live there choose to do so for reasons of work and convenience. Very few people who live in cities don't dream of a sea or tree change. They feel, for whatever reason, that they are stuck there and a lot resent that.
Another reason is that it is very easy to remain anonymous to a large extent, in a city. You have your crew of mates and are comfortable enough that you don't need to meet new people and expose your self to new ideas/ideals.You can espouse an opinion and never need to actually back it up,in person,because of this anonymity
Sihanoukville is a very different kettle of fish.
It is a (relatively) small COMMUNITY.But it many ways, it is a very close and tight knit COMMUNITY.You really have to try hard to remain anonymous here and I, in all honesty ask - why would you? Why would you miss out on the spirit that makes small towns so much different from big cities? Do we all love each other? FUK NO. Do we all agree with each other? FUK NO.But do we love what this lifestyle gives us? Fuk YEAH.
The people who choose to live here, do so because they love the area and the life. Sure, we make sacrifices to live here and you actually have to make an effort to make it work, but it is OUR choice.It is OUR lifestyle choice. That is one of the reasons I get so pissed off with the whingers who "live" here temporarily. We all know you aren't going to make it, so just exercise your rights and fuk off.
Its also the main reason we defend it. If it doesn't suit you and you don't have or want what it takes to make a life here, that's fine by us! But stop knocking those of us who do.
My POV anyway. Just trying to honestly answer your question.Take it or leave it, I couldn't give a fuk in the long run, because I have never been happier or more content in my life since I have lived in Sihanoukville and I don't need anyone else's affirmation on that.
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was waiting for your post as i know we share similar views (saves me some typing) lolbiloeboy wrote:Ok, I've just got home after work and this is the first comment I've read. So with no malice carried from any other comments here ( lets face it, its 3 pages already and I'm pretty sure S/ville will be mentioned) I will give you my honest feelings.scobienz wrote:Something I've been wondering about lately is how expats in different major centres of Cambodia react differently to comments about where they live. It's a curious phenomenon and it seems to vary from city to city.
This particularly applies to Sihanoukville, so often the butt of online jibes. Whenever someone like gavinmac does his usual thing and cracks a joke about Sihanoukville (and most of us are guilty of it) posters who live there get very defensive, even what I would call aggressively defensive. Then they make some retaliatory comment about Phnom Penh. Why is that? Why not just laugh along? Why take it personally?
I live in Phnom Penh. I don't love it. I don't hate it. It's a stinking shitty place, but with some charm and some attractions. When people attack it, I either don't care or I generally agree that, yes, it is a dump. I get the impression most Phnom Penh expats take a similar approach, or at least I've never seen anyone indignantly defend it.
Then there was the weird collective defensiveness of the Kampot community during the Arcadia rape incident. A 440 lurker raised that with me a couple of weeks ago over a beer, asking what on earth it was all about and how strange it looked from outside.
It never seems to be an issue for Siem Reap expats though, most of whom are quietly confident about their living choice and who couldn't care less what other people think of the place. There seems to be a deep satisfaction within Siem Reap based expats.
Is it something to do with what people do for a living, perhaps? I genuinely don't know. Or is it something deeper? Or am I talking bollocks? Most likely.
Phnom Penh is, to me, just another city. Its cold and heartless like cities everywhere tend to be. The people that live there choose to do so for reasons of work and convenience. Very few people who live in cities don't dream of a sea or tree change. They feel, for whatever reason, that they are stuck there and a lot resent that.
Another reason is that it is very easy to remain anonymous to a large extent, in a city. You have your crew of mates and are comfortable enough that you don't need to meet new people and expose your self to new ideas/ideals.You can espouse an opinion and never need to actually back it up,in person,because of this anonymity
Sihanoukville is a very different kettle of fish.
It is a (relatively) small COMMUNITY.But it many ways, it is a very close and tight knit COMMUNITY.You really have to try hard to remain anonymous here and I, in all honesty ask - why would you? Why would you miss out on the spirit that makes small towns so much different from big cities? Do we all love each other? FUK NO. Do we all agree with each other? FUK NO.But do we love what this lifestyle gives us? Fuk YEAH.
The people who choose to live here, do so because they love the area and the life. Sure, we make sacrifices to live here and you actually have to make an effort to make it work, but it is OUR choice.It is OUR lifestyle choice. That is one of the reasons I get so pissed off with the whingers who "live" here temporarily. We all know you aren't going to make it, so just exercise your rights and fuk off.
Its also the main reason we defend it. If it doesn't suit you and you don't have or want what it takes to make a life here, that's fine by us! But stop knocking those of us who do.
My POV anyway. Just trying to honestly answer your question.Take it or leave it, I couldn't give a fuk in the long run, because I have never been happier or more content in my life since I have lived in Sihanoukville and I don't need anyone else's affirmation on that.
i think the reason why people get defensive is because of all the digs at the SHV folk, where everyone gets tarred with the same brush, but i'm not a methhead deathpat pedophile overstayer and neither is anyone in the large circle of friends that i have there, most of the people i know are light hearted easy going legit people, and its a great community where everyone looks after everyone,
the things that people slag SHV about though is very hypocritical though, as the things mentioned on page 2, yeah theres the sewage that runs down the hill to the beach, yeah its disgusting, but PP has loads of stinking trash ridden streets and rats everywhere etc... SHV is full of Sexpats?? yeah you got Victory hill and the Square, plus the odd few other bars dotted about, but PP you got 104, 130, 136, 51, GSM, Pontoon??? its just the pot calling the kettle black and thats what i personally find frustrating
the one thing i do agree on when people moan about SHV (although they dont bother with me too much but i know its a problem for tourists) is the corrupt police, they really do need to fuck off
Serendipity beach is far from the best beach in the world and isnt the best place to go to "relax" but there are actually more than one beach in SHV believe it or not and they are all much better than Serendipity...
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I was always under the impression that most people living in Sihanoukville where business owners(well those posting on k440)and with all the neg comments on the place in travel forums,that they where just just getting sick of all the people knocking the place.
i never really liked the place but its horses for courses.
i must admit i get cross with some tourist comments about the tonle sap lake being dirty and all the poor people living there,to many tourists its a culture shock to see a bit of raw rural living close up.
But you know we choose to live in a place cause we want to and i have many mates living in and loving Sihanoukville,
i never really liked the place but its horses for courses.
i must admit i get cross with some tourist comments about the tonle sap lake being dirty and all the poor people living there,to many tourists its a culture shock to see a bit of raw rural living close up.
But you know we choose to live in a place cause we want to and i have many mates living in and loving Sihanoukville,
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Very true.scobienz wrote: It never seems to be an issue for Siem Reap expats though, most of whom are quietly confident about their living choice and who couldn't care less what other people think of the place. There seems to be a deep satisfaction within Siem Reap based expats.
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Airstone's contrarian take on things seemed to touch a raw nerve, a bit close to home to be laughed off I guess.
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The Siem Reap expats don't seem that deeply satisfied lately - they've been on Facebook for months reporting on the sharp increase in bag snatchings and burglaries.Steve Zodiac wrote:Very true.scobienz wrote: It never seems to be an issue for Siem Reap expats though, most of whom are quietly confident about their living choice and who couldn't care less what other people think of the place. There seems to be a deep satisfaction within Siem Reap based expats.
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