I think that is simply untrue. If i hurt you through no ill intent or negligence of my own, it is not necessarily wrong, at least in a moral or legal sense. To do moral/legal wrong requires a degree of intent and capacity for choice.Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:The answer is quite simple. If the actions hurt someone, it's wrong.
Dutch pedo Pieter Ceulen in Cambodia
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^^ I wonder where 'manslaughter' fits in this outlook.LTO wrote:I think that is simply untrue. If i hurt you through no ill intent or negligence of my own, it is not necessarily wrong, at least in a moral or legal sense. To do moral/legal wrong requires a degree of intent and capacity for choice.Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:The answer is quite simple. If the actions hurt someone, it's wrong.
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there's more to it than either of you have stated so far. It would be wrong if on learning that the actions were hurting someone, you continued those actions without reassessing your behaviours and original intentions.LTO wrote:I think that is simply untrue. If i hurt you through no ill intent or negligence of my own, it is not necessarily wrong, at least in a moral or legal sense. To do moral/legal wrong requires a degree of intent and capacity for choice.Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:The answer is quite simple. If the actions hurt someone, it's wrong.
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Depends on the legal system, but for sake of general debate, as a certain (lesser) degree of culpability (than e.g. 1st degree murder) garnered from being responsible for a killing without malice aforethought or with malice mitigated by other considerations such as the lack of intent to kill, heat-of-passion, etc. I am sure a lawyer could give a better, more precise definition.Stagger Lee wrote:^^ I wonder where 'manslaughter' fits in this outlook.LTO wrote:I think that is simply untrue. If i hurt you through no ill intent or negligence of my own, it is not necessarily wrong, at least in a moral or legal sense. To do moral/legal wrong requires a degree of intent and capacity for choice.Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:The answer is quite simple. If the actions hurt someone, it's wrong.
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I shit on this thread.
I hate to see this scum title every time I check for a new posts.
Make a new thread for your personal debates or something. Can't be about that perv anymore.
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I hate to see this scum title every time I check for a new posts.
Make a new thread for your personal debates or something. Can't be about that perv anymore.
80+ pages
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Removal from the gene pool is the only way, Be it through castration or death or incarceration for his natural life.And lets not forget the family members that have obviously tried to cover up for him.Would you cover up for your dad if he committed crimes like this?
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"I don't want to die in prison!" Ceulen.
And so it begins, trial (appeal) started today. Lawyer demanded a "behind closed doors" trial, was rejected.
Pedofiel Pieter Ceulen voor hof van beroep: “Ik wil niet sterven in de gevangenis”
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160909_02460724
And so it begins, trial (appeal) started today. Lawyer demanded a "behind closed doors" trial, was rejected.
Pedofiel Pieter Ceulen voor hof van beroep: “Ik wil niet sterven in de gevangenis”
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160909_02460724
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Funny, I never thought I'd share one of that cunt's desires. However, I don't want him to die in prison, either. For the next twenty years I want him to get beaten to a pulp every day, get used as a fleshlight and a toilet by the other prisoners as a group activity and have every meal pre-laced with screws and cons bodily waste.DeVeelvraat wrote:"I don't want to die in prison!" Ceulen.
And so it begins, trial (appeal) started today. Lawyer demanded a "behind closed doors" trial, was rejected.
Pedofiel Pieter Ceulen voor hof van beroep: “Ik wil niet sterven in de gevangenis”
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160909_02460724
Then they can let him out at 80 years old and he can die whenever, however and wherever suits him.
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It's been scarce with pedo news around here lately, maybe the whole scene will fuck off to somewhere else, that would be nice.
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Are you sure ? Haven't we seen another couple of high profile SR Pedos preying on little boys being busted since Ceulen fall ? (the one with an arrest warrant dating 20 years back from AUS and another rich dude from the same vicinity as Ceulen ?pablomiguelgarcia wrote:It's been scarce with pedo news around here lately, maybe the whole scene will fuck off to somewhere else, that would be nice.
Thinking that SR mighy have become a high scale pedo nest makes me feel on the contrary very uneasy.
I might be wrong but I am far less worried by pedos getting arrested in PP in their rental shady appartements or in the tonle sap tall grasses (the kind of seems to be less frequent than 10y ago) than by rich villa owners in SR (whom are usually seen as outstanding citizens and seem like a new kind to me)
The same paper that wrote the article Visser posted took a different tone in another article the next day. did a quick translation of both below.
tl;dr: the first article is about the appeal. Ceulen is still without remorse, thinks the punishment is too high, and believes his privacy has been violated. It seems he is being chemically castrated
The second article says that the prosecution has actually increased the charges. Ceulen has admitted his crimes in court and is willing to be chemically castrated.
tl;dr: the first article is about the appeal. Ceulen is still without remorse, thinks the punishment is too high, and believes his privacy has been violated. It seems he is being chemically castrated
The second article says that the prosecution has actually increased the charges. Ceulen has admitted his crimes in court and is willing to be chemically castrated.
niewsblad sept 9th 2016 wrote: http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160909_02460724
Paedophile Pieter Ceulen in front of court of appeal: “I do not want to die in prison”
The Court of Appeals in Antwerp is currently is currently handling the paedophilia case involving Pieter Ceulen. The attorneys of the Antwerpian investment advisor (60) asked for a session behind closed doors, but the court did not oblige them. Two professors and a forensic psychiatrist will testify today.
Pieter Ceulen was convicted in January to 19 years imprisonment for sexual abuse of children in the Philippines and Cambodia, among which were his three foster daughters. He fled to Cambodia, but also felt like he was being hunted like game. The businessman decided to surrender and returned to Belgium in March. He’s been in pre-trail detention since.
Ceulen led a double life for 15 years. To the outside world he was a successful business and family man, who donated to charity, but all that time he also maintained a secretive perverse sex life. This was discovered when an FBI agent got access, through GigaTribe, to his child pornography collection, which contained 7000 gigabytes.
He didn’t just collect [child pornography]. When the investigators looked at the material they got possession of, they discovered that Ceulen was also making child pornography himself. Through a website he had gotten in contact with Asian women, whom he would pay to show their children naked in front of a webcam and to touch the children on his instruction. He also went to the Philippines himself, where he filmed how he sexually abused two girls of 2 and 4 years old.
The businessman also traveled to Cambodia often, where he and his wife had adopted three girls and a boy from an orphanage that he supported financially. He had taken naked pictures of the girls and the court found that it was proven that he had also raped one of them.
Milder punishment
Ceulen was given 19 years of prison and was also given 15 years of disposition to the sentencing court [struggle to translate this; basically after prison he will be held a maximum of 15 years in a psychiatric clinic until a court/council decides the risk of relapse has abated]. He appealed and is now hoping for a milder punishment.
The attorneys of Pieter Ceulen asked for a treatment behind closed doors. “Because of the media hoopla the privacy of the client and his family are violated”, they said. But the court did not react to this.
Ceulen himself also got to speak to the court. “I find the sentence somewhat high. This way I would die in prison.”
Chemical castration
The case already appeared before the court of appeals in May, but was postponed. Ceulen had asked for adjournment as he wanted to make use of the time to tackle his problems. “ He wants to undergo a medical procedure to make sure he will not be a danger to society anymore”, his attorney said back then.
Whether that ‘medical procedure’ is a chemical castration was not confirmed, but it does appear to be so.
niewsblad sept 10th 2016 wrote: http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160909_02462223
facts paedophile Pieter Ceulen are worse than initially assumed
The public prosecution has increased the charges against Antwerpian paedophile Pieter Ceulen (61) and is asking 19 years of imprisonment again in the appeal case.
Ceulen fled to Cambodia at the beginning of this year after the first conviction because of abuse and rape of various children.
In March Ceulen returned to our country, to appeal his conviction “because I find the punishment very high”, he said slightly abashed in the courtroom yesterday. “With [a punishment like] this I will never be free again.”
This time the businessman admitted the abuse. He is willing to get chemically castrated.
However, the prosecution increased the charges, because while some events were described in the first trail as ‘touching’, the prosecutor now spoke of rape. It also seems like the victims were even younger than initially assumed: a couple girls were barely one year and 2.5 years old.
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Thank you for taking the time to translate the article, flo.
I'm not sure that chemical castration is a deterrent but he deserves the sentence. The parents of the children also shouldn't be allowed to get away with this - poor or not.
I'm not sure that chemical castration is a deterrent but he deserves the sentence. The parents of the children also shouldn't be allowed to get away with this - poor or not.
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De website for Enkosabnb - Cambodian luxury Wooden BnB - which is registered by Pieter Ceulen, has been extended last month. It would have expired 2016-09-09.
See: http://whois.domaintools.com/enkosabnb.com
For two other boutique hotels/houses in Siem Reap the websites which were registered by the son registrations have been updated in the last weeks.
Like he did a few months ago for an event site for Siem Reap.
It looks like the Ceulen family, at least the son, wants to keep their businesses in Cambodia. Although I had the impression he was/is in Australia with his gf.
See: http://whois.domaintools.com/enkosabnb.com
For two other boutique hotels/houses in Siem Reap the websites which were registered by the son registrations have been updated in the last weeks.
Like he did a few months ago for an event site for Siem Reap.
It looks like the Ceulen family, at least the son, wants to keep their businesses in Cambodia. Although I had the impression he was/is in Australia with his gf.
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