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Coconuts - I've been charged 2000 to 3000 riel for a coconut industry pp.
Some dickwad told me to get out of Cambodia when I complained he was asking too much @3000 riel.
Hurt my feelings. Count.Should have kicked him in the biologics.
Instead I responded "yeah at least I can leave the country, you cant. Go to help Cambodia."
He told me I was crazy. He may have had a point.
Some dickwad told me to get out of Cambodia when I complained he was asking too much @3000 riel.
Hurt my feelings. Count.Should have kicked him in the biologics.
Instead I responded "yeah at least I can leave the country, you cant. Go to help Cambodia."
He told me I was crazy. He may have had a point.
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Don't say complimentary thing about Muslims or you will face the wrath of Penisname and JockJock etc. They will probably start by saying you are a PC liberal with your head in the sand and end with saying the Muslims are putting poison in the spices or something. Don't say I didn't warn you. The storm is coming.spitthedog wrote:
Where would Thai food be without the Muslim spices coming up from the south?
That made me laugh. What does "Go to help Cambodia" mean?Just Robbed wrote:Coconuts - I've been charged 2000 to 3000 riel for a coconut industry pp.
Some dickwad told me to get out of Cambodia when I complained he was asking too much @3000 riel.
Hurt my feelings. Count.Should have kicked him in the biologics.
Instead I responded "yeah at least I can leave the country, you cant. Go to help Cambodia."
He told me I was crazy. He may have had a point.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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- Jumped Up Little Oik
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I presume he means that Cambodians think that foreigners are here to help Cambodia, or at least should be.Lucky Lucan wrote:That made me laugh. What does "Go to help Cambodia" mean?Just Robbed wrote:Coconuts - I've been charged 2000 to 3000 riel for a coconut industry pp.
Some dickwad told me to get out of Cambodia when I complained he was asking too much @3000 riel.
Hurt my feelings. Count.Should have kicked him in the biologics.
Instead I responded "yeah at least I can leave the country, you cant. Go to help Cambodia."
He told me I was crazy. He may have had a point.
So, he was basically saying why just me? Your Cambodian, isn't it about time you helped yourself and stopped thinking that anyone who comes here to work or visit owes you a living pension from their foreign pockets.
Just about everything they have got came from foreigners anyway. They are actually quite proud of this fact I have found and seem to have learnt to expect it. Something akin to the dole culture in Britain.
I have even had a Khmer with a rather large grin on his face point around to everything; buildings, cars, motorbikes etc etc and say "you bought those"
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Delusions of grandeur.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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Burmese food sits only a rung higher than Pinoy food, but below Khmer. But they get extra credit because of the knock on effect caused by the lean years. It was maximum calories to feed empty stomachs.Phuket2006 wrote:vladimir wrote:It's interesting that in both Myanmar and Cambodia, the food is NOTHING like Thai food, and I don't mean that in a flattering way.jm wrote:Khmer are more like Thai than Viets in every way that matters. You might want to read through the Ayutthaya thread about Thai origins.
You step out of Thailand and into Bland County.
Problem is now there is relatively more plenty, diet hasn't adjusted accordingly and you see some enormous people around, especially the mamas.
Haha - my money’s on Playboy
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Had a great Burmese meal in the Irawaddy Restaurant in The Pehn.
Pickled Green tea salad, slow cooked beef burmese curry, and a stir fried mushroom dish, washed down with several 75 cents beers.
I wish they sold the packets of Burmese pickled green tea here.
One thing i don't get in Cambodia is - Why is the som tam so shit here? It's always a lifeless damp soggy mess...drowning in itself.
In Pattaya i had what seemed like the best som tam and succulent BBQ chicken i've ever had off of one of those moto carts.
Pickled Green tea salad, slow cooked beef burmese curry, and a stir fried mushroom dish, washed down with several 75 cents beers.
I wish they sold the packets of Burmese pickled green tea here.
One thing i don't get in Cambodia is - Why is the som tam so shit here? It's always a lifeless damp soggy mess...drowning in itself.
In Pattaya i had what seemed like the best som tam and succulent BBQ chicken i've ever had off of one of those moto carts.
"I don't care what the people are thinking, i ain't drunk i'm just drinking"
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Irawaddy may be the best example of Burmese cuisine I've had outside of the Yangon NGO set restaurants, (whose prices predictably take the piss).spitthedog wrote:Had a great Burmese meal in the Irawaddy Restaurant in The Pehn.
Pickled Green tea salad, slow cooked beef burmese curry, and a stir fried mushroom dish, washed down with several 75 cents beers.
I wish they sold the packets of Burmese pickled green tea here.
One thing i don't get in Cambodia is - Why is the som tam so shit here? It's always a lifeless damp soggy mess...drowning in itself.
In Pattaya i had what seemed like the best som tam and succulent BBQ chicken i've ever had off of one of those moto carts.
Shan food is not bad - more like Chinese.
Haha - my money’s on Playboy
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Thanks for the link. I'll read it and get back to you.jm wrote:Khmer are more like Thai than Viets in every way that matters. You might want to read through the Ayutthaya thread about Thai origins.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 71&start=0
Blaming the Vietnamese is not new, it's been a distinguishing component of Khmer identity for 200-300 years.
Here's the mon-Khmer info requested by another poster.
http://www.britannica.com/topic/Mon-Khmer-languagesMon-Khmer languages, language family included in the Austroasiatic stock. Mon-Khmer languages constitute the indigenous language family of mainland Southeast Asia. They range north to southern China, south to Malaysia, west to Assam state in India, and east to Vietnam. The most important Mon-Khmer languages, having populations greater than 100,000, are Vietnamese, Khmer, Muong, Mon, Khāsi, Khmu, and Wa.
The family consists of some 130 languages, most of which are not, or very rarely, written. Several languages are spoken by only a few hundred speakers and are in imminent danger of extinction; these include Phalok, Iduh, Thai Then, Mlabri, Aheu, Arem, Chung (Sa-och), Song of Trat, Samrai, Nyah Heuny, Che’ Wong, and Shompe. The family is subclassified into 12 branches: Khasian, Palaungic, Khmuic, Pakanic, Vietic, Katuic, Bahnaric, Khmeric, Pearic, Monic, Aslian, and Nicobarese. There has been reluctance in the past in accepting Vietic, which includes Vietnamese, as a branch of Mon-Khmer, but recent studies make this quite certain. Nicobarese was also thought to form a separate family in the Austroasiatic stock, but recent data from this poorly known branch confirm its inclusion in Mon-Khmer. The Chamic languages of Vietnam and Cambodia, which were included by some scholars in the Mon-Khmer family, have now been reclassified as Austronesian.
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love the shan food, and it can be spicy as well<<
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I'm afraid he saw me as nothing more than a foreigner. I don't think he was saying I paid personally for it all even though I do exude an air of wealth about me.Lucky Lucan wrote:Delusions of grandeur.
Everyone should just eat cheesburgers and stop moaning. I really don't see the point in anything else other than cheesburgers.
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Thanks for the link JM. I am just reading through it and it is a revelation. This part from SEAhistorian on page 2 which seems to point to a fairly dominant influence of Mon culture in Thailand.
Do the Vietnamese recognize their Mon roots, or do they just concentrate on the 1000 years of Chinese rule? I wonder what aspects of the Mon culture have survived, if any, in Vietnam.
I certainly know on the ground level there are some cultural similarities, but they may both have been imports from China or just mutual exchanges over the years of living next to each other. This idea of promoting competition within the family for example; cutting the legs off the chair . In European cultures isn't competition within the family played down rather than up? I guess it must have come from somewhere.
Also interesting
So the Mon played a large part in Thailand as well as Vietnam and Khmer/Cambodian cultures. It seems that a lot of these three cultures were greatly influenced by the Mon and lay unclaimed as such by all relevant SEA official interpretations?What some Khmer also don't realize, is that the ancient Khmer rulers in modern day Thailand developed their own distinguished culture, which developed locally and separately from the ancestral home of Angkor for many centuries. Also, the influence of the Mon people is greatly overlooked. Cultural elements like Sak Yant, Muay Thai, Theravada Buddhism, Pali, Thai script, Burmese script, Laotian script, Thai cuisine, Burmese cuisine, etc. are more likely to have derived from ancient Mon people than ancient Khmer people. But some of these elements are generally viewed as being originally Khmer elements.
Do the Vietnamese recognize their Mon roots, or do they just concentrate on the 1000 years of Chinese rule? I wonder what aspects of the Mon culture have survived, if any, in Vietnam.
I certainly know on the ground level there are some cultural similarities, but they may both have been imports from China or just mutual exchanges over the years of living next to each other. This idea of promoting competition within the family for example; cutting the legs off the chair . In European cultures isn't competition within the family played down rather than up? I guess it must have come from somewhere.
Also interesting
Furthermore, what is considered to be Khmer culture, originally came from Champa and India. But there is an enormous Malay/Cham influence. Just look at some Khmer words as Psar (market) or Kampong (village, province), Brak (silver), etc. But you never hear this side of the story. The rulers of Funan and Champa both share/claim descend from the same lineage of the former rulers. When the famous professor Keng Vannsak stated that the father of Jayavarman VII was actually a Cham, this was met with outrage by the Cambodian media.
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The crackdown on Vietnamese with dodgy paper paper continues...LTO wrote:'Legitimate' means acquired in accordance with the law as it is written in the legal code without having paid tea money to cut corners, ignore exclusions, avoid inconvenient steps or work with unauthorized officials, (excluding tea money paid to simply get authorities to do their job and issued legal and properly authorized documents/services.) They know the difference. The holder really should too because it can (and apparently will) come back to haunt them.AE86 wrote:^^ I don't know what constitutes legitimate obtaining of IDs vs. not, meaning it seems that pretty much anyone can walk in with cash and purchase one (ask the Chinese), but as for it being an "official" recalling of under the table IDs, I doubt it but could be wrong. Reason being, the police told her she needs to restart the application process for the ID, which of course costs more money. Just local extortion in my opinion, follow the money.
What's happening to your people could just be more extortion of a vulnerable ethnic group, or the government throwing out all the corruptly acquired old IDs and trying to set people on the path of getting real ones (in so far as they are entitled to it), or a mix of both.
I have seen and used to track many of the various dodgy dealings the 'illegal' Vietnamese (mostly post-79 immigrants, not including returnees that lived here before the war) and local officials have engaged in to allow the 'illegals' to stay to this point. There is a lot of bad paper of various sorts out there, and the authorities know what's real and what's not.
I predict a lot of old cutcorner deals regarding IDs, taxes, land, licenses, etc, evaporating in the next couple of years, leaving a lot of people in the lurch. It's no longer business as usual.
Immigration police rounded up 51 ethnic Vietnamese in the capital yesterday, with seven found without proper documents set to be deported.
Uk Hai Sela, head of investigations at the immigration department, said immigration police, National Police and court officials detained the 35 men and 16 women and children in Phnom Penh’s Chbar Ampov district.
The seven undocumented Vietnamese were to be deported home next week, Hai Sela said. The remaining 44 were released pending an inter-ministerial examination of their family books, resident books and identification to uncover any potential forgeries...
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/v ... -penh-raid
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