Just try to improve on it Kon Khmer. An extra S behind a noun makes a big difference in the meaning of the word, and also try pronouncing it when you speak English. For Cambodians this is very hard to do, just try. In the beginning you can add an extra A behind the S sound and 'swallow it', to teach yourself to be able to pronounce a S sound at the end of a word.Kon Khmer wrote:gavinmac wrote:Kon Khmer wrote: <cut>
Thanks for pointing my writing mistake about that S thing, however i honestly don't feel bad about it at all, after having seen many native speaker made so my mistakes in their writing.
Why do Cambodians pay so much money for English lessons?
That's one of the major mistakes Cambodian schools make, assuming native speakers make great teachers for learning a foreign language.jackrossi wrote:why are westerners English teachers paid more than others?
supply and demand, if your school wants to attract rich parents as clients they will want a native guy and a good teacher that is and looks a native speaker. That will cost a similar amount of what he can get in his home country. Good teachers willing to work here are not so many and schools struggle to find any skilled natives, so they either opt for non native cheaper teachers, unskilled/Unruly natives/westerners for a low salary or skilled natives teachers that cost a lot.
If you are a rich khmer parent that doesn't speak English and is paying an high school fee, would you choose your son to learn English from a guy from England or one from Pakistan for the same price?
In Germany no highschool would hire an English teacher unable to speak German, except maybe for the highest grade. But here...... Silly.
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I do realize the important of s at the end of noun. With S at the end meaning it is plural. Also we add S or ES at the end of the verb if we use them with third person subject. However, the thing about me is that i don't really care when i write on the forum.Kachang wrote:Just try to improve on it Kon Khmer. An extra S behind a noun makes a big difference in the meaning of the word, and also try pronouncing it when you speak English. For Cambodians this is very hard to do, just try. In the beginning you can add an extra A behind the S sound and 'swallow it', to teach yourself to be able to pronounce a S sound at the end of a word.Kon Khmer wrote:gavinmac wrote:Kon Khmer wrote: <cut>
Thanks for pointing my writing mistake about that S thing, however i honestly don't feel bad about it at all, after having seen many native speaker made so my mistakes in their writing.
I don't really have problem pronouncing S, ES, CH and ED at the end of the word, as i learned that it is importance to pronounce them especially when speaking with foreigners.
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If you look at the 'Rubber Soul' post (Looking for Business Partner), you can see why a bit of bad English makes the company look completely stupid. All they needed to do was pay a few dollars to an educated native speaker to proofread their advert.
Secondly, it is a myth that local teachers are good at teaching grammar; they are fine with a course book and an answer key in front of them while the students tick boxes and fill in the blanks. Take away the controlled practice environment and they haven't got a clue. This also applies to some native speakers, though. It's a question of qualifications, experience, knowledge and a 'knack' for teaching.
Kon Khmer, don't you think it would be a good idea to try to write English accurately at all times, even on a forum? Then good English becomes a habit.
Secondly, it is a myth that local teachers are good at teaching grammar; they are fine with a course book and an answer key in front of them while the students tick boxes and fill in the blanks. Take away the controlled practice environment and they haven't got a clue. This also applies to some native speakers, though. It's a question of qualifications, experience, knowledge and a 'knack' for teaching.
Kon Khmer, don't you think it would be a good idea to try to write English accurately at all times, even on a forum? Then good English becomes a habit.
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He has also posted on the other forum that he is/was a senior translator at an NGO and made posts there asking for help finding a job. He seems to have a defeatist attitude that he's not going to try to improve English skills that are essential to his career because it won't matter as he'll never get a higher salary because he's Khmer.
It's unfortunate, he's way too young to be that bitter and jaded.
It's unfortunate, he's way too young to be that bitter and jaded.
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Yeah correct, for example; poodle/poodlesKon Khmer wrote:
I do realize the important of s at the end of noun. With S at the end meaning it is plural.
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One of the biggest reasons why people pay for a native speaker to teach their kids is quite simple: outside of Europe, and particularly in countries like Cambodia, the level of non-native teachers in local schools just isn't high enough (in my experience most teachers tend to be around Pre-Int level and still find most of the grammar very challenging).
Then there's the style of teaching which is almost always rote and provides very little opportunity for students to use the language. It's a start "knowing" the grammar rules - and I'd add that very few students do end up actually knowing the rules in such an environment - but it's no good if you're not given the chance to apply them in real life situations. What you end up with are passive learners who might be able to complete a multiple choice exam question but go blank when asked how to get to the nearest supermarket.
A few such as Kon Khmer, who seems naturally intelligent and hardworking, will prosper no matter what the circumstances, but most students will learn very little in such situations.
Then there's the style of teaching which is almost always rote and provides very little opportunity for students to use the language. It's a start "knowing" the grammar rules - and I'd add that very few students do end up actually knowing the rules in such an environment - but it's no good if you're not given the chance to apply them in real life situations. What you end up with are passive learners who might be able to complete a multiple choice exam question but go blank when asked how to get to the nearest supermarket.
A few such as Kon Khmer, who seems naturally intelligent and hardworking, will prosper no matter what the circumstances, but most students will learn very little in such situations.
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Exactly. I was born in the Netherlands with only School-English until I left home. Whenever/wherever I am not sure how to spell, I look it up. So easy now with Google just a click away.springrain wrote:
Kon Khmer, don't you think it would be a good idea to try to write English accurately at all times, even on a forum? Then good English becomes a habit.
Practise makes perfect.
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Incorrect. Practise makes permanent.Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:Practise makes perfect.
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I suppose you do realize that it is Khmer attitude your having a go at? They are the one's paying the native speakers more.Kon Khmer wrote:Thanks. I actually have never thought that my English is good. I just know that i could get by with it every day at work. By the way, why it has to be HE. Can SHE become an English teacher. I don't want to say this but sometimes i really feel like most of your comments are really sexism.gavinmac wrote:Your English is very good for a non-native speaker, but if you studied with a foreigner, he would probably teach you about the use of the article "a."Kon Khmer wrote: PS. I have never studied with foreigner and i have no desire to study with foreigner at all.
It's not just a question of whether English speakers know what you are saying. If you want to pursue a high end job requiring the ability to prepare documents in English, you should consider learning further from an native English speaker.
Men also can work as waiter in the restaurant.
The thing is that i don't want to make foreigners feel proud of themselves and flattered and thought that we inevitably needed them, if we want to improve our English. There are so many great Cambodian teachers who can do the job.
BTW, no matter how much i know and how good I am, i will never be able to get more money or higher salary as the fact that i am Cambodian. I might get the same amount of salary if i work somewhere in Europe or other countries where employees don't pay people by race. (I think i am about the open a can of worms here)
Thanks for pointing my writing mistake about that S thing, however i honestly don't feel bad about it at all, after having seen many native speaker made a lot of mistakes in their writing.
It's 100% obvious to most people (except Khmers) that the best way to learn a language is from native speakers, preferably starting from the age of around 4 or 5. The schools employ local teachers as it is cheaper for them to do so (they make more cash out of paying them less, and also the parents after charging them for white, native teachers). Cambodian school directors (scum of the Earth) also seem to have an inherent distaste for people that don't understand/ abide by the Khmer hierarchy rules.
Interesting your point about your knowing enough English to get by in work so don't need to learn more. That stinks of racism and inferiority.
One of the greatest pleasures obtained by learning another language is that of learning another culture. I have found your attitude to be common place in Cambodia; people only want to learn English to make money and fuck English/ US/Canadian etc so called cultures. Nice. It's those kind of utterly dumb attitudes that are holding Cambodia back from achieving any broad sense of progress. Basically so many Cambodians are so far up their own arseholes it doesn't bear thinking about.
BTW, in Vietnam they have a law that requires all school children to be taught by at least one native teacher. I suppose you just think that makes the Vietnamese even more backward?
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The mistakes Cambodian schools make are: 1. assuming anyone with a white skin or from America/ Europe is a native speaker, and 2. Not caring/ knowing about the quality of teaching, but preferring a foreign face in a room to make dosh.Kachang wrote:That's one of the major mistakes Cambodian schools make, assuming native speakers make great teachers for learning a foreign language.
In Germany no highschool would hire an English teacher unable to speak German, except maybe for the highest grade. But here...... Silly.
iirc, several studies have shown that when a teacher above a certain level starts using the student's language, it hampers acquisition.
ESL students are way easier to teach in general than EFL students, especially in mixed classes, simply because it is more likely students will use English to communicate with each other in class and with people outside of class.
I suspect the teachers you refer to in Germany are teaching other subjects, and are actively discouraged from speaking German in English classes.
Many schools here also ask the teacher not to use Khmer in sessions.
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Mr Lovejuice wrote:I suppose you do realize that it is Khmer attitude your having a go at? They are the one's paying the native speakers more.Kon Khmer wrote:Thanks. I actually have never thought that my English is good. I just know that i could get by with it every day at work. By the way, why it has to be HE. Can SHE become an English teacher. I don't want to say this but sometimes i really feel like most of your comments are really sexism.gavinmac wrote:Your English is very good for a non-native speaker, but if you studied with a foreigner, he would probably teach you about the use of the article "a."Kon Khmer wrote: PS. I have never studied with foreigner and i have no desire to study with foreigner at all.
It's not just a question of whether English speakers know what you are saying. If you want to pursue a high end job requiring the ability to prepare documents in English, you should consider learning further from an native English speaker.
Men also can work as waiter in the restaurant.
The thing is that i don't want to make foreigners feel proud of themselves and flattered and thought that we inevitably needed them, if we want to improve our English. There are so many great Cambodian teachers who can do the job.
BTW, no matter how much i know and how good I am, i will never be able to get more money or higher salary as the fact that i am Cambodian. I might get the same amount of salary if i work somewhere in Europe or other countries where employees don't pay people by race. (I think i am about the open a can of worms here)
Thanks for pointing my writing mistake about that S thing, however i honestly don't feel bad about it at all, after having seen many native speaker made a lot of mistakes in their writing.
It's 100% obvious to most people (except Khmers) that the best way to learn a language is from native speakers, preferably starting from the age of around 4 or 5. The schools employ local teachers as it is cheaper for them to do so (they make more cash out of paying them less, and also the parents after charging them for white, native teachers). Cambodian school directors (scum of the Earth) also seem to have an inherent distaste for people that don't understand/ abide by the Khmer hierarchy rules.
Interesting your point about your knowing enough English to get by in work so don't need to learn more. That stinks of racism and inferiority.
One of the greatest pleasures obtained by learning another language is that of learning another culture. I have found your attitude to be common place in Cambodia; people only want to learn English to make money and fuck English/ US/Canadian etc so called cultures. Nice. It's those kind of utterly dumb attitudes that are holding Cambodia back from achieving any broad sense of progress. Basically so many Cambodians are so far up their own arseholes it doesn't bear thinking about.
BTW, in Vietnam they have a law that requires all school children to be taught by at least one native teacher. I suppose you just think that makes the Vietnamese even more backward?
It sounds like someone is angry at being overcharged for a pineapple again.
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Hmmm, it may also help that the German teachers already speak perfect English with very good backgrounds in the grammar. I would like to work in India, but too many Indian's speak perfect English already.Kachang wrote:That's one of the major mistakes Cambodian schools make, assuming native speakers make great teachers for learning a foreign language.
In Germany no highschool would hire an English teacher unable to speak German, except maybe for the highest grade. But here...... Silly.
It's an interesting point as that is what the Khmer schools have been trying to do over the last few years; replace foreign teachers with Khmer teachers. Unfortunately Cambodians in general don't have those English skills to be able to do this yet. But the schools are pushing for it; although, they find there is a fine line between employing cheap locals and getting the parents to pay the higher fees for white teachers. Any other equation such as, "Who is the best teacher for the children?" doesn't even come into it.
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Smug git alert!!!scobienz wrote:Mr Lovejuice wrote:I suppose you do realize that it is Khmer attitude your having a go at? They are the one's paying the native speakers more.Kon Khmer wrote:Thanks. I actually have never thought that my English is good. I just know that i could get by with it every day at work. By the way, why it has to be HE. Can SHE become an English teacher. I don't want to say this but sometimes i really feel like most of your comments are really sexism.gavinmac wrote:Your English is very good for a non-native speaker, but if you studied with a foreigner, he would probably teach you about the use of the article "a."Kon Khmer wrote: PS. I have never studied with foreigner and i have no desire to study with foreigner at all.
It's not just a question of whether English speakers know what you are saying. If you want to pursue a high end job requiring the ability to prepare documents in English, you should consider learning further from an native English speaker.
Men also can work as waiter in the restaurant.
The thing is that i don't want to make foreigners feel proud of themselves and flattered and thought that we inevitably needed them, if we want to improve our English. There are so many great Cambodian teachers who can do the job.
BTW, no matter how much i know and how good I am, i will never be able to get more money or higher salary as the fact that i am Cambodian. I might get the same amount of salary if i work somewhere in Europe or other countries where employees don't pay people by race. (I think i am about the open a can of worms here)
Thanks for pointing my writing mistake about that S thing, however i honestly don't feel bad about it at all, after having seen many native speaker made a lot of mistakes in their writing.
It's 100% obvious to most people (except Khmers) that the best way to learn a language is from native speakers, preferably starting from the age of around 4 or 5. The schools employ local teachers as it is cheaper for them to do so (they make more cash out of paying them less, and also the parents after charging them for white, native teachers). Cambodian school directors (scum of the Earth) also seem to have an inherent distaste for people that don't understand/ abide by the Khmer hierarchy rules.
Interesting your point about your knowing enough English to get by in work so don't need to learn more. That stinks of racism and inferiority.
One of the greatest pleasures obtained by learning another language is that of learning another culture. I have found your attitude to be common place in Cambodia; people only want to learn English to make money and fuck English/ US/Canadian etc so called cultures. Nice. It's those kind of utterly dumb attitudes that are holding Cambodia back from achieving any broad sense of progress. Basically so many Cambodians are so far up their own arseholes it doesn't bear thinking about.
BTW, in Vietnam they have a law that requires all school children to be taught by at least one native teacher. I suppose you just think that makes the Vietnamese even more backward?
It sounds like someone is angry at being overcharged for a pineapple again.
Do you mind moving your off topic post to the asinine thread?
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