Why do Cambodians pay so much money for English lessons?
It's odd. I've never seen you post vicious crap like your post above at Samouth on CEO. Why do you think it's appropriate here, particularly as you were banned permanently a year ago?
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Yeah!scobienz wrote:It's odd. I've never seen you post vicious crap like your post above at Samouth on CEO. Why do you think it's appropriate here, particularly as you were banned permanently a year ago?
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Accepted.Kampong Blues wrote:Incorrect. Practise makes permanent.Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:Practise makes perfect.
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Wow, you seem to have really good memory. Since then, i have changed a few jobs already. I didn't remember saying that i didn't want to improve my English. I am actually trying to improve my English everyday, but i just didn't go to school for it. I have done and still doing a lot of self-study. I am reading at least a few online articles every day to improve, my vocabulary and sentence structures skill. I really don't have to go to school while i could find just everything on internet, plus most of my co-workers are expats and i pretty much speak English every day at work.gavinmac wrote:He has also posted on the other forum that he is/was a senior translator at an NGO and made posts there asking for help finding a job. He seems to have a defeatist attitude that he's not going to try to improve English skills that are essential to his career because it won't matter as he'll never get a higher salary because he's Khmer.
It's unfortunate, he's way too young to be that bitter and jaded.
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That's the way to do it.Kon Khmer wrote:Wow, you seem to have really good memory. Since then, i have changed a few jobs already. I didn't remember saying that i didn't want to improve my English. I am actually trying to improve my English everyday, but i just didn't go to school for it. I have done and still doing a lot of self-study. I am reading at least a few online articles every day to improve, my vocabulary and sentence structures skill. I really don't have to go to school while i could find just everything on internet, plus most of my co-workers are expats and i pretty much speak English every day at work.gavinmac wrote:He has also posted on the other forum that he is/was a senior translator at an NGO and made posts there asking for help finding a job. He seems to have a defeatist attitude that he's not going to try to improve English skills that are essential to his career because it won't matter as he'll never get a higher salary because he's Khmer.
It's unfortunate, he's way too young to be that bitter and jaded.
When I was in my late teens my father who was living in england and knew a thing or two about learning languages since he spoke a dozen fluently, told me that I needed to improve my english. His advice was to pick up whatever airport novel he had by the hundreds (clancy, grisham etc) and to read them without looking in the dictionnary for any word or sentence that wouldn't make sence. Just to read them as fast as I could, one after another. It did help me a lot when I started working in english speaking countries, especially since these books are written in "spoken english".
25 years later, I think and dream both in french and in English and do sometimes wonder which language is my first choice.
One thing I don't understand in cambodia, is that I have yet to meet a young cambodian that learned irregular verbs lists as I did when I was a kid. Isn't these verbs the main grammar foundation needed ?
I'd go with French....Barang_doa_slae wrote: sometimes wonder which language is my first choice...... Isn't these verbs the main grammar foundation needed ?
Because it takes some real study, and Khmers are generally too lazy. The same way they're too lazy to bother writing proper English on forums , despite claiming being able to.One thing I don't understand in cambodia, is that I have yet to meet a young cambodian that learned irregular verbs lists as I did when I was a kid.
Btw I think Lovejuice nailed it with his post.
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As long as cambodians, nepalis, indians or Japanese ask me to translate what your were just telling them, it might be in your best interest to reconsider.Bubble T wrote:I'd go with French....Barang_doa_slae wrote: sometimes wonder which language is my first choice...... Isn't these verbs the main grammar foundation needed ?
Did you ever learn a foreign language, from scratch, until you reached a level being able to read a decent book, or discuss, or get by in daily life? I did, English, French an German. Having a native speaker teach me, unable to speak my language, wouldn't have helped me during the first years. In fact I'm 100% sure it would have slowed down down the learning process. When I started learning Khmer I didn't study with 'just' a native speaker - I studied with an English teacher. Studying with someone just speaking Khmer doesn't make sense for the beginner, and maybe for the intermediate levels too.vladimir wrote:The mistakes Cambodian schools make are: 1. assuming anyone with a white skin or from America/ Europe is a native speaker, and 2. Not caring/ knowing about the quality of teaching, but preferring a foreign face in a room to make dosh.Kachang wrote:That's one of the major mistakes Cambodian schools make, assuming native speakers make great teachers for learning a foreign language.
In Germany no highschool would hire an English teacher unable to speak German, except maybe for the highest grade. But here...... Silly.
iirc, several studies have shown that when a teacher above a certain level starts using the student's language, it hampers acquisition.
ESL students are way easier to teach in general than EFL students, especially in mixed classes, simply because it is more likely students will use English to communicate with each other in class and with people outside of class.
I suspect the teachers you refer to in Germany are teaching other subjects, and are actively discouraged from speaking German in English classes.
Many schools here also ask the teacher not to use Khmer in sessions.
Above a certain level a teacher being a native speaker is a plus for the students, but how many students have reached that level? How many 'native speakers' in Cambodia are actually teaching those levels?
The fact many schools here ask the teacher not to use Khmer in sessions doesn't tell me anything, they don't have a clue about education and teaching methods. Besides that, not being able to speak the local Lingo is a big disadvantage for a teacher and makes teaching more difficult then needed, I believe. Just imagine yourself at the age of 15-18, having a teacher not being able to speak your language. Party time, right?
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I completely disagree, Kachang. I learnt French at school without a single word of English spoken in the classroom. It is most definitely an advantage to only be able to use the target language; it forces concentration, application and understanding, albeit with quite a bit of effort. There is no lack of skill by the teachers, but the Direct Teaching Method still remains the most effective, for me, at any rate.
If the learner relies too much on translation, the learner thinks it is okay to translate directly, which means one never masters the idiomatic nature of the Target Language. That explains why there is often so much 'mother-tongue interference'.
At the end of the day, though, there is no perfect method. Whatever works best for the individual tends to work best. I liked learning the target language without any help - it forced me to try harder to understand.
If the learner relies too much on translation, the learner thinks it is okay to translate directly, which means one never masters the idiomatic nature of the Target Language. That explains why there is often so much 'mother-tongue interference'.
At the end of the day, though, there is no perfect method. Whatever works best for the individual tends to work best. I liked learning the target language without any help - it forced me to try harder to understand.
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Yes, French. Our teacher told us straight in the first lesson: if you speak English in this class, I will cane you (old-style)Kachang wrote:Did you ever learn a foreign language, from scratch, until you reached a level being able to read a decent book, or discuss, or get by in daily life?
My French was pretty good at school, GCE distinction, had a French gf in SA and lived with her on her family's property. My French improved dramatically on the farm. I can still read a French newspaper at native-speaker speed and tell you what the article is about, with specific detail. And strangely enough, Romanian, which I never studied, but French, and Latin (best student at university, brag, brag) probably enabled that.
Likewise, in Thailand, I lived in a small Thai town, maybe 5000 people. I had to learn Thai to survive, there were maybe 5 people I could communicate with in English. Mostly gone now.
Khmers speak way more English than Thais, and perhaps this explains my weak Khmer.
When you have no other choice, you do what you have to do.
People who think they are helping you by doing some of the work for you are in fact, disadvantaging you.
I get students asking me: 'Teacher, what does this word mean?' I ask them; have you looked in your dictionary? Almost invariably, the answer is 'No'. I respond: 'I am your teacher, not your babysitter.'
I have requested many schools, universities and companies to insist every student has a dictionary, English-Khmer, Khmer-English, I hope the reasons are obvious to you if you are in a conversation on language acquisition.
In 14 years, only ONE organisation has agreed and fully-implemented it. ONE.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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I do think you would benefit from private tutoring by a native English speaker. A native speaker would identify and correct recurring minor errors that you make. You may not know that you are making these errors, because your co-workers can still understand you and are not pointing out the errors because they are not pedantic dickheads. But if you are working in any field that requires you to prepare or write anything in English, like as a senior translator, or anything related to that, it would help if you did not continue to make these mistakes.Kon Khmer wrote: Wow, you seem to have really good memory. Since then, i have changed a few jobs already. I didn't remember saying that i didn't want to improve my English. I am actually trying to improve my English everyday, but i just didn't go to school for it. I have done and still doing a lot of self-study. I am reading at least a few online articles every day to improve, my vocabulary and sentence structures skill. I really don't have to go to school while i could find just everything on internet, plus most of my co-workers are expats and i pretty much speak English every day at work.
For example, you don't seem to use the article "a" - I pointed that out in my last post. A native speaker would see a sentence you wrote that says "You seem to have really good memory" and tell you that it should say "You seem to have a really good memory."
Reading things on the internet is great for your reading comprehension, but I think you would improve to writing and speaking skills a lot more if you had a native English speaker follow you around for a few weeks and correct you every time you made a syntax or sentence structure error.
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English makes no sense. Period. LOL.
I have often been referred to as "a Dutch" ("he is a Dutch"). Admittedly that was in Philippines. But "he is a Dutchman" is correct.
She is Khmer
She is a Khmer lady
Both are correct (I think), depending on whether your emphasis is on her culture or on her as a lady. Not sure if students can figure that out.
But saying "He is a Yank", or "He is an American" is quite correct. "He is American" also seems correct.
So the student needs to be taught just when and where to add that 'a', or remove it. That's going to take lots of lessons...
I have often been referred to as "a Dutch" ("he is a Dutch"). Admittedly that was in Philippines. But "he is a Dutchman" is correct.
She is Khmer
She is a Khmer lady
Both are correct (I think), depending on whether your emphasis is on her culture or on her as a lady. Not sure if students can figure that out.
But saying "He is a Yank", or "He is an American" is quite correct. "He is American" also seems correct.
So the student needs to be taught just when and where to add that 'a', or remove it. That's going to take lots of lessons...
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Rules for definite/indefinite article usage are quite numerous.
But I doubt he OP actually wanted an answer, I think he was fishing for a reaction
But I doubt he OP actually wanted an answer, I think he was fishing for a reaction
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