Cynical NGO advertising from Sunrise Cambodia
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How weird - and unnecessary.
Perhaps being an abusive troll you should have expected them to fight back.
I should tweet them to see how they respond to me.
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Perhaps being an abusive troll you should have expected them to fight back.
I should tweet them to see how they respond to me.
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Why going out of your way to rub it in their face when the organization finally chose to change their strategy as we wished?Khmerhamster wrote:How weird - and unnecessary.
Perhaps being an abusive troll you should have expected them to fight back.
I should tweet them to see how they respond to me.
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I think the current fundraising campaign is good as it is. Even the photo of Geraldine surrounded by the children she welcomed and helped years and years ago is a heartwarming touch.
But by all means, troll Lucy Perry and make her face her own contradictions. :p
I wouldn't want to rub my kitten in Lucy Perry CEO's face.
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Looks like the funding dried up straight after the SMH exposé. Lets not forget the last suspect Aussie NGO that was featured in the same paper ceased its operations and closed its doors within 6 months.
Hope that doesn't happen to sunrise, but these inexperienced do gooders can do more harm than good sometimes.
Hope that doesn't happen to sunrise, but these inexperienced do gooders can do more harm than good sometimes.
My posts are just jokes, maybe they're rude, offensive, and politically incorrect. They're not my opinion, viewpoint, idea, or judgement, but they're just fucking jokes so lighten up.
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I thought the 440 tweet was a positive message, recognising the change. If i was to tweet them I would adopt a similar approach.Joon wrote:
Why going out of your way to rub it in their face when the organization finally chose to change their strategy as we wished?
I think the current fundraising campaign is good as it is. Even the photo of Geraldine surrounded by the children she welcomed and helped years and years ago is a heartwarming touch.
But by all means, troll Lucy Perry and make her face her own contradictions. :p
I.e. Saying well done for a positive change.
But when 440 did this, they still came back with a fighty response.
I was wondering if this was because they resent 440 - if another person send a similar message would they respond the same?
I dunno.
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I think she is right. Positive stories have always played a part in Sunrise's fundraising, even back during the original controversy. But I also think she doesn't get the ethical issues then or now. They may be trying to put the positive stories up front in this particular round of fundraising, but the pity porn and dubious images of children are still there on the site as well. The problem is not (and has never been) a failure to use positive stories in addition to the pity porn and dubious images of children. The problem is their use of pity porn and dubious images of children. And I think they (or perhaps just she) has a fundamental misconception about the sort of work they are in. Orphanages are not empires and other orgs working to help vulnerable children are not business competitors. When dealing with vulnerable children, profit does not exceed ethical considerations like some amoral capitalist venture, and those who would raise reasonable ethical issues about the treatment of children are not to be dismissed out of hand as slackers and trouble makers. It is presumably a community of humanitarians working toward the common aim, i.e. helping abused and vulnerable children in a manner that is best for those children. Those who fail to recognize that should be called on it, like we do the orgs still promoting orphanage voluntourism.
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I didn't really look at it carefully before, but now that I have, this is an interesting exchange. Sunrise is not saying that backstories of abuse and hardship are necessary part of a successful fundraising campaign (in addition to success stories). I don't think there would be much dispute if that was their point. But they are arguing that pity porn and the images of destitute and abused children are necessary and justified by the success of a fundraising campaign. (And seemingly that success is defined as raising the greatest possible amount of funds.) That is also what Ms Perry argued a few weeks ago. They are arguing in favor of pity porn. That is a stand.
This leads me to wonder if this is true, and if it is ethically justified.
Is pity porn necessary and indispensable to a successful humanitarian fundraising campaign?
Is the use of pity porn justified by the success of a fundraising campaign?
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Pity porn is an appeal to emotion. It works, look at those old commercials in the US with Save the Children or whatever it was called with crying, bloated belly kids....
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
The positive story that was part of the campaign was added to their website the day after the twitter storm began. I'm 100% certain it wasn't on the main campaign page on the day Weh Yeoh's tweet started it all, regardless of whether it appeared on their facebook etc.LTO wrote:I think she is right. Positive stories have always played a part in Sunrise's fundraising, even back during the original controversy. But I also think she doesn't get the ethical issues then or now. They may be trying to put the positive stories up front in this particular round of fundraising, but the pity porn and dubious images of children are still there on the site as well. The problem is not (and has never been) a failure to use positive stories in addition to the pity porn and dubious images of children. The problem is their use of pity porn and dubious images of children. And I think they (or perhaps just she) has a fundamental misconception about the sort of work they are in. Orphanages are not empires and other orgs working to help vulnerable children are not business competitors. When dealing with vulnerable children, profit does not exceed ethical considerations like some amoral capitalist venture, and those who would raise reasonable ethical issues about the treatment of children are not to be dismissed out of hand as slackers and trouble makers. It is presumably a community of humanitarians working toward the common aim, i.e. helping abused and vulnerable children in a manner that is best for those children. Those who fail to recognize that should be called on it, like we do the orgs still promoting orphanage voluntourism.
Otherwise, agree that the core issue is, despite Perry's attempts to deflect, the use of pity porn, full stop - not whether it is an 'essential ingredient' in a 'well rounded' marketing campaign.epidemiks wrote:Interesting.
May 17 Perry stated that success stories weren't 'the right story to tell'.
May 18, they upload a success story to their website.
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When the controversy first erupted somebody commented something to the effect "the 80s are calling. They want their photos of fly-covered starving African children back."Felgerkarb wrote:Pity porn is an appeal to emotion. It works, look at those old commercials in the US with Save the Children or whatever it was called with crying, bloated belly kids....
It wouldn't surprise me if this regressive technique does work for generating funds. Questions in my mind are whether pity porn is the only thing that works as Sunrise claims, and if in fact pity porn does in some sense 'work', whether that alone justifies its use in 2016.
I don't doubt you but I still wish there was a screenshot.epidemiks wrote:The positive story that was part of the campaign was added to their website the day after the twitter storm began. I'm 100% certain it wasn't on the main campaign page on the day Weh Yeoh's tweet started it all, regardless of whether it appeared on their facebook etc.
A few hours after the controvery first began I had a look at their website. I distinctly recall seeing these sorts of positive stories there...well, at least one. And I thought it was on the same page as the pity porn, down toward the bottom. While I am fairly certain of the former (ie positive stories on the website), I am much less certain of the latter (ie on the same page with the pity porn). I defer to you.
Just to remention something from earlier in this thread, the upload date could be explained by the fact the Ms Perry said she had just rebuilt the website due to a hack. I don't know if that excuse actually flies, but I am trying to give them benefit of the doubt here. If nothing else, positive stories appeared somewhere on the site back then, even if it wansn't on the same page with the pity porn campaign ad.
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Looks like I was too quick to assume a change in attitude / strategy.
Similar to gloating response to 440 tweet yesterday when sunrise claimed 8 donors came from traffic from 440 site. LP posts this subtle dig today.
Following the link takes to the original campaign - Dirty faces and all.
It's sad, the (what I thought was) revised campaign was pretty well done.
Screenshots with filenames like that almost certainly were generated by the system date of the computer, so unless their computer's date was set one day ahead, that image was added 24 hours after Perry said positive stories weren't suitable for 'communicating the full horror to generous Aussies', or something along those lines.LTO wrote:When the controversy first erupted somebody commented something to the effect "the 80s are calling. They want their photos of fly-covered starving African children back."Felgerkarb wrote:Pity porn is an appeal to emotion. It works, look at those old commercials in the US with Save the Children or whatever it was called with crying, bloated belly kids....
It wouldn't surprise me if this regressive technique does work for generating funds. Questions in my mind are whether pity porn is the only thing that works as Sunrise claims, and if in fact pity porn does in some sense 'work', whether that alone justifies its use in 2016.
I don't doubt you but I still wish there was a screenshot.epidemiks wrote:The positive story that was part of the campaign was added to their website the day after the twitter storm began. I'm 100% certain it wasn't on the main campaign page on the day Weh Yeoh's tweet started it all, regardless of whether it appeared on their facebook etc.
A few hours after the controvery first began I had a look at their website. I distinctly recall seeing these sorts of positive stories there...well, at least one. And I thought it was on the same page as the pity porn, down toward the bottom. While I am fairly certain of the former (ie positive stories on the website), I am much less certain of the latter (ie on the same page with the pity porn). I defer to you.
Just to remention something from earlier in this thread, the upload date could be explained by the fact the Ms Perry said she had just rebuilt the website due to a hack. I don't know if that excuse actually flies, but I am trying to give them benefit of the doubt here. If nothing else, positive stories appeared somewhere on the site back then, even if it wansn't on the same page with the pity porn campaign ad.
The hack she referred to happened days later, and on a website unrelated to Sunrise.
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With her attitude, she'll be selling cider in Thailand this time next year.
My posts are just jokes, maybe they're rude, offensive, and politically incorrect. They're not my opinion, viewpoint, idea, or judgement, but they're just fucking jokes so lighten up.
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I wonder if she has considered how many potential donors were put off Sunrise by the discussion here and on twitter. Did they gain 8 and lose a hundred? Is that even a consideration or is this just about getting the last word?Khmerhamster wrote:
Looks like I was too quick to assume a change in attitude / strategy.
Similar to gloating response to 440 tweet yesterday when sunrise claimed 8 donors came from traffic from 440 site. LP posts this subtle dig today.
Following the link takes to the original campaign - Dirty faces and all.
It's sad, the (what I thought was) revised campaign was pretty well done.
This snippy comment aimed at K440 accompanying the linked reversion from the positive campaign back to pity porn campaign also leads me to wonder if they switched back for some practical reason or as a spiteful reaction to K440's twitter comment. It's all very childish and schoolyard. This is not the way an educated professional communicates or how a humanitarian NGO deals with honestly raised ethical issues. If something of substance has been said you either say you will take it on board and move on or address it calmly and substantively and move on. If you think something petty has been said you ignore it and let the other side look small wallowing in the muck. You don't dig in your heels and snipe like a high school girl trying to score points in front of her friends.
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