Safety on River Boat Cruises
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Douchebaggery aside, its seems that the 4 points mentioned by Buscador cold raise more questions than offer answers as to what happened that night no? This fervent opposition to anyone asking questions as to what may have lead to the death an all around great guy, prominent long term member of the expat and K440 community is maybe understandable - but could probably make some people want to push the issue even further to find out what really happened. It seems because this happened in relation to another expats/LTO's friends well-liked business that LTO's death is just chalked up to "shit happens", he slipped - end of. Its understandable that nerves are frayed and people are hurting but is it right to just simply give the operator a pass when one of its customers dies because he is a good guy or they were friends with the deceased without trying to figure out what happened or that LTO was OK and knew the risks with living on the edge in 'super dangerous unregulated' Cambodia? I don't know anything about what happened that night but it is completely clear now that the operator of the boat did not make sure all of the passengers of the boat got off safely even when the passengers had to get off one boat, embark on to another boat and then on to the dock to get ashore. I think thats a bit troubling.ricecakes wrote:Cue : GM with more " I don't agree.." douchery
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I don't agree.kansaicanuck wrote:Douchebaggery aside, its seems that the 4 points mentioned by Buscador cold raise more questions than offer answers as to what happened that night no? .ricecakes wrote:Cue : GM with more " I don't agree.." douchery
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Buscador wrote:As LTO's daughter has already said, the family has no responsibility to clear up the rumors and misconceptions being put forth by many people on this thread. However, I know that some people who cared about LTO have questions, as I did, so for those people I will share what I learned at his funeral yesterday.
1. As is usually the case, the photos and stories in the Khmer press bore little resemblance to the actual facts. He did not fall off the gangplank shown. The boat was moored against another boat, which was moored against the dock. To get ashore, one stepped from one boat to the other, and then to the dock.
As I said in my earlier post. My mail was LTO fell off the prowl of a boat.
My mail is also that a certain poster may need to look out for themselves next time they are in Cambodia (as a result of posts on this thread) and this is not just hot air and memories are long.
Note to self: Must be nice to morons.
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A customer pays.kansaicanuck wrote:Douchebaggery aside, its seems that the 4 points mentioned by Buscador cold raise more questions than offer answers as to what happened that night no? This fervent opposition to anyone asking questions as to what may have lead to the death an all around great guy, prominent long term member of the expat and K440 community is maybe understandable - but could probably make some people want to push the issue even further to find out what really happened. It seems because this happened in relation to another expats/LTO's friends well-liked business that LTO's death is just chalked up to "shit happens", he slipped - end of. Its understandable that nerves are frayed and people are hurting but is it right to just simply give the operator a pass when one of its customers dies because he is a good guy or they were friends with the deceased without trying to figure out what happened or that LTO was OK and knew the risks with living on the edge in 'super dangerous unregulated' Cambodia? I don't know anything about what happened that night but it is completely clear now that the operator of the boat did not make sure all of the passengers of the boat got off safely even when the passengers had to get off one boat, embark on to another boat and then on to the dock to get ashore. I think thats a bit troubling.ricecakes wrote:Cue : GM with more " I don't agree.." douchery
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LTO did not pay.
He was a friend of Brian. He had left the boat this way many times.
This is no different to if you live on the 4th floor and you show your regular guest out of your apartment and he slips on the stairs going down and hits his head and kills himself. How are you to blame?
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If you're going to make thinly veiled threats, could you be more explicit, LJ?LaudJohn wrote: My mail is also that a certain poster may need to look out for themselves next time they are in Cambodia (as a result of posts on this thread) and this is not just hot air and memories are long.
There's nothing in this thread that warrants such an ominous warning.
How can you be so sure he alighted and fell at the prow of the boat LJ? My information - from his ex wife - says that no one saw him fall. Buscador has now said the same.
You were in Singapore that night LJ. Why is your source so positive it happened the way you related the incident?
You were in Singapore that night LJ. Why is your source so positive it happened the way you related the incident?
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Classic piece of Cambodiana here: a man falls to his death, but you can’t ask legitimate questions because the guy responsible is a top bloke, and if you question that then you get some vague threats against you relayed second-hand by some anonymous nobody. What a bunch of fucking bullshit.Joon wrote:If you're going to make thinly veiled threats, could you be more explicit, LJ?LaudJohn wrote: My mail is also that a certain poster may need to look out for themselves next time they are in Cambodia (as a result of posts on this thread) and this is not just hot air and memories are long.
There's nothing in this thread that warrants such an ominous warning.
A friend or relative of LTO's wouldn't be making a threat of violence against a poster for raising safety questions, which pretty much leaves the boat operator or people very close to him. So why dance around it? LaudJohn posted that the boat owner/operator has threatened Gavinmac with physical violence when he returns to Cambodia.
Any sympathy for the boat operator for a one-off tragic accident is now out the fucking window.
Any sympathy for the boat operator for a one-off tragic accident is now out the fucking window.
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If Brian wore a turtleneck and glasses he would look like an overweight Steve Jobs. I think gavinmac will be just fine.
I like Brian, I hope it's not him threatening people.
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I like Brian, I hope it's not him threatening people.
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So he's not in any way culpable for what happens to people who don't pay for tickets? What about about people he gives personal invitations?LaudJohn wrote:A customer pays.
LTO did not pay.
He was a friend of Brian.
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Uninformed speculation was the trigger for this stupid threat.Edwardo wrote:A friend or relative of LTO's wouldn't be making a threat of violence against a poster for raising safety questions, which pretty much leaves the boat operator or people very close to him. So why dance around it? LaudJohn posted that the boat owner/operator has threatened Gavinmac with physical violence when he returns to Cambodia.
Any sympathy for the boat operator for a one-off tragic accident is now out the fucking window.
So let's do what? Of course, let's have some more speculation.
You've no idea who the threat comes from - or if it is even real. I do have an element of sympathy for the boat operator here. From
accounts he seems to have lost a friend & then his business (& now his character) is being dragged though the mud - perhaps incorrectly.
Not the first time we see the Streisand effect at play on this board...Khmerhamster wrote:Uninformed speculation was the trigger for this stupid threat.
So let's do what? Of course, let's have some more speculation.
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I'm not sure how paying vs. not paying matters. Did the paying customers exit the boat in a different or safer manner?LaudJohn wrote:
A customer pays.
LTO did not pay.
He was a friend of Brian. He had left the boat this way many times.
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