American Mark Alan Vandewater (from Florida!) arrested for extortion

[JohnSmith]

[Marmite]

If you are going to get involved in a pending criminal case, you might want to think twice about creating an imgur account using your real name. That's a classic dumb fuck move.

[Playboy]

Rookie mistake

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[bipolar bear]

If you are going to get involved in a pending criminal case, you might want to think twice about creating an imgur account using your real name. That's a classic dumb fuck move.

It's a bit of a classic.

Here are pictures of Martin Desautels, from DFDL at "The Office" on street 118. These pictures were provided to Vandewater by the owners of The Office, Thida and Terry.Vandewater wanted to give these images to Martin Desautel's wife in Vietnam, in order for Desautels to stop his sexual involvement with Lyna (Thida's niece). Martin Desautels got Vandewater arrested for extorsion when Vandewater sent him a warning letter. If this had been an extortion racket, Desautels would have never found Vandewater, but the latter was not hiding since what he was doing was not illegal. Thida also borrowed 30k off Vandewater to redo the front of The Office, suggesting Vandewater is not in need for money and now Thida and Terry don't have to pay the debt. Vandewater is still being held at PJ prison fro a crime he did not commit.

Here are pictures of a man associating with a brass. The obvious question is, what the fuck did it have to do with Vandewater whether somebody was fucking somebody else? She wasn't being raped, was she? He hadn't roofied her up or hypnotised her, had he? She doesn't look remotely unwilling in any image.

And, by your own words, he is guilty of blackmail

Vandewater wanted to give these images to Martin Desautel's wife in Vietnam, in order for Desautels to stop his sexual involvement with Lyna (Thida's niece)...Vandewater sent him a warning letter.

It might not be blackmail for the purposes of extortion - i.e. dollars - but it absolutely is blackmail for the purposes of coercion and the offence is the same, it is only the desired outcome of the blackmail that differs.

He sounds like he has been mugged off royally, not only into handing over $30k to bar whores in the first place but also by allowing himself to get involved in a really, really stupid blackmail. I wonder whose idea the scheme was? If it was the good ladies', he has been tucked up good and proper, as they say.

[JohnSmith]

Without the financial element it is a civil case, not a criminal one. In a civil case the plaintiff could sue for damages, and that is about the extent of it. I am not defending Vandewater, I personally consider his actions a shit move, but if we went around locking up people for the odd shit move as opposed to crimes, the streets would be empty. The story I am trying to draw attention to though, is not whether Vandewater is, or is not a shitbag, but to the fact that Martin Desautels, the managing partner for DFDL fabricated evidence and is keeping a non criminal in prison over a civil matter.

[Marmite]

That's quite a serious accusation. If you're going to make that accusation you better be damn sure of your case especially as you have revealed your true identity so casually. You might want to lawyer up. I would be expecting to hear from plaintiff lawyers soon.

Edit to add: ahhhh. You live in Shitsville. That explains your carelessness. You can't legislate for stupidity.

[bipolar bear]

Without the financial element it is a civil case, not a criminal one. In a civil case the plaintiff could sue for damages, and that is about the extent of it. I am not defending Vandewater, I personally consider his actions a shit move, but if we went around locking up people for the odd shit move as opposed to crimes, the streets would be empty. The story I am trying to draw attention to though, is not whether Vandewater is, or is not a shitbag, but to the fact that Martin Desautels, the managing partner for DFDL fabricated evidence and is keeping a non criminal in prison over a civil matter.

I couldn't give a fuck about the plight of Vandewater, he sounds like a right cunt. He got himself into this shit by pulling the tigers tail.

I don't give a fuck about the lawyer either, he's probably a sleazy, shitbag cunt. He's a lawyer, so it's a given. I don't know if he has fabricated anything or not but it wouldn't surprise me if he decided to defend himself robustly against a blackmailer who was threatening to leverage evidence of a peccadillo and/or demanding money.

What are you going to say? The defence against the blackmail was more immoral or illegal than the actual blackmail itself? That's what you seem to be "trying to draw attention to". That won't be squeezing my sympathy gland.

[Playboy]

... That won't be squeezing my sympathy gland.

When you Google that particular, amusing little phrase, the first thing that comes up is something about squeezing puppies anal glands ...

Lawyers, Blackmailers, and the Anal Glands of Puppies ... the Internet is an even scarier place than Cambodia

[Loogan]

Does the wee lass in the pic have a puppy anal gland stuck in her forehead?

[Playboy]

Ignoring image suggestions obviously you CockWomble

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[gavinmac]

If this had been an extortion racket, Desautels would have never found Vandewater, but the latter was not hiding since what he was doing was not illegal.

"Your honor, my client couldn't have committed the crime, because he was found by the police."

Thida also borrowed 30k off Vandewater to redo the front of The Office, suggesting Vandewater is not in need for money and now Thida and Terry don't have to pay the debt.

"Your honor, my client could not have committed this crime, because he had money."

These are bad arguments, man.

[JohnSmith]

Vandewater was attempting to get this girl "Lyna" out of a hard life of prostitution at "the office" bar. The owner of said bar "Thida", who also happens to be Lyna's aunty must have seen Vandewater as an easy target so they both sold him this story of desperate poverty and attempting to escape this dark industry. For a period of about 3 months, Vandewater was giving Lyna roughly 10000 USD a month, in an attempt to sort out her family situation. On top of that, he lent Thida 30000 USD to do up the bar. It is important to state at this point that at no time did Vandewater have sex or even a romantic relationship with any of the people involved.
Vandewater started to notice a regular client that Lyna had been involved with for over a year by the name of Martin Desautels, managing partner at DFDL. She had managed to keep this discreet for the prior three months, as Martin Desautels only works in the PP office five days a month, and during those three months Vandewater had been away for periods and not coincided with him.
The explanation from Thida and Lyna was that this was a very powerful customer, not to be messed with, and that although the didn't like him there was nothing that could be done. Vandewater hired a Vietnamese detective to find out if Martin had a wife in Saigon. The detective came back with an affirmative and her exact address, where she lives with her two children, and where Martin spends most of the month. Vandewater was offered images from the bars cctv to pressure Martin into cutting all ties with the bar. This is exactly what he did, with an anonymous letter, telling him to cut all ties with Lyna, or he would inform the wife, and also his company, DFDL.
Martin, realizing he did not have enough to go to the police, using the foundations that had already been laid by Vandewater, turned it into a criminal extortion case by switching the demand to a fee of 10000 USD, aided by Thida and Lyna who knew Vandewater's address, and would, among other things, not have to ever return the 30000 USD they had borrowed from him.
Attached is a link of the cctv images provided by Terry and Lyna from The Office showing Desautels and Lyna. At the bottom of the page you will also find evidence of the money transfer Vandewater made to Thida.

[gavinmac]

Vandewater was attempting to get this girl "Lyna" out of a hard life of prostitution at "the office" bar. The owner of said bar "Thida", who also happens to be Lyna's aunty must have seen Vandewater as an easy target so they both sold him this story of desperate poverty and attempting to escape this dark industry. For a period of about 3 months, Vandewater was giving Lyna roughly 10000 USD a month, in an attempt to sort out her family situation. On top of that, he lent Thida 30000 USD to do up the bar. It is important to state at this point that at no time did Vandewater have sex or even a romantic relationship with any of the people involved.
Vandewater started to notice a regular client that Lyna had been involved with for over a year by the name of Martin Desautels, managing partner at DFDL. She had managed to keep this discreet for the prior three months, as Martin Desautels only works in the PP office five days a month, and during those three months Vandewater had been away for periods and not coincided with him.
The explanation from Thida and Lyna was that this was a very powerful customer, not to be messed with, and that although the didn't like him there was nothing that could be done. Vandewater hired a Vietnamese detective to find out if Martin had a wife in Saigon. The detective came back with an affirmative and her exact address, where she lives with her two children, and where Martin spends most of the month. Vandewater was offered images from the bars cctv to pressure Martin into cutting all ties with the bar. This is exactly what he did, with an anonymous letter, telling him to cut all ties with Lyna, or he would inform the wife, and also his company, DFDL.
Martin, realizing he did not have enough to go to the police, using the foundations that had already been laid by Vandewater, turned it into a criminal extortion case by switching the demand to a fee of 10000 USD, aided by Thida and Lyna who knew Vandewater's address, and would, among other things, not have to ever return the 30000 USD they had borrowed from him.
Attached is a link of the cctv images provided by Terry and Lyna from The Office showing Desautels and Lyna. At the bottom of the page you will also find evidence of the money transfer Vandewater made to Thida.

What is your factual basis for saying that Desautels fabricated the claim of a $10,000 demand? How did he fabricate that? Did he forge Vandewater's handwriting on a letter demanding the money? Did he clone Vandewater's phone and send himself a text? Tell me physically how he fabricated the evidence.

How do you now Desautel's not telling the truth and that Vandewater isn't lying and claiming "frame up" to try to save himself from a lengthy prison term?

Did Desautels confess to you that he framed Vandewater?

Or is this just "Well, I'm friends with Vandewater and I believe him when he says he never sent a financial demand."

[Londo]

John Smith, you have released the beast.

Let the games begin.