They don't get put on the stand. They are invited to a quiet court room, with a social worker and the judge, all in civilian clothes. No parents present- all very low key.
In difficult cases a child psychologist is also available, but not on a witness stand or in public.
These cases can take years, and in most instances without the father having any access to the children, not even supervised visitation.
63 y/o Australian teacher Robert Craig Cameron jumps from ICS 6th Floor and dies
Then you were fortunate. How many years ago and in which country? Was it bitter, and were the children forced by a parent to lie?Gin&Tonic wrote:Not in my experience
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A straightforward case with both parents in agreement, would not involve the children, which is how it should be.
Marmite wrote:DF wrote:Never knew him or this case until posted here.
My post information comes from custody documentaries i have seen, and books, especially books on how children will protect one or both parents from harm, even purging themselves if necessary.
My scenario is a very tried and tested process in a mother's fight for custody.
Custody cases are normally won by the parent who fights the dirtiest, and not which parent is best suited. A true but shameful fact.
Clearly a passionate subject for you . . .
Anyway. Case closed. He was convicted of kidnap and sentenced to a year in prison in absentia. That is a reported fact, and document. All arguments to the contrary are now ended, irrespective of whether you think such conviction is fair or not.
Where the fuck do you get the authority to say " Case closed. He was convicted of kidnap,,,. etc ""
Have you had children, have you experienced the legal system in UK. AU. EU ???
Truly,
I think you are just some angry know all cunt that knows nothing about how these things work out.
I refuse to go out with nothing more than a whimper followed by a small farting sound and a shit stain on my bed sheets..
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
I used to do a lot of evening voluntary helpline work for fathers fighting custody and visitation cases. You would not believe the shit that goes down.
The children always end up losing either their father or mother.
The children always end up losing either their father or mother.
By reading the facts, you numpty. Instead of kneejerking a response, how about reading the posts on the thread of the forum you are supposed to moderate?scoffer wrote:
Where the fuck do you get the authority to say " Case closed. He was convicted of kidnap,,,. etc ""
Have you had children, have you experienced the legal system in UK. AU. EU ???
Truly,
I think you are just some angry know all cunt that knows nothing about how these things work out.
Fact: He was convicted of kidnapping and sentenced to one year in prison. He was the subject of an international manhunt. He kept the girl on a boat for over two years. Therefore, the case is closed as to whether he kidnapped his child or not.
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In Australia, 2014-2016.DF wrote:Then you were fortunate. How many years ago and in which country? Was it bitter, and were the children forced by a parent to lie?Gin&Tonic wrote:Not in my experience
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A straightforward case with both parents in agreement, would not involve the children, which is how it should be.
It was extremely bitter. The courts first ordered a "Family assessment report" where a social worker writes a report on where they think the children should live. This is based on allegations but no evidence. This went negative against me. The courts then ordered psychological assessments of the children and me. This went favourably for me. The courts then ordered supervised interaction between me and my kids and a report was written. Again went favourably. Then lastly a final family assessment report was ordered with the original report writer. This time allegations and evidence was used. This went favourably for me.
On the morning of the trial when I was in clear pole position the respondent caved to my demands to avoid trial.
At no point were the children asked where they want to live. The court has to make its decision based on their best interests and on that basis is understood that preteen children are rarely in a position to understand what is in their best interest. That said, the mother did coach the children to lie which was easily picked up and noted by the report writer and the psychologist.
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You've had guys sentenced to death for murder, only to be found innocent afterwards. Wake up will you. Plenty are convicted for crimes they never committed.Marmite wrote:As it's something close to your heart and presumably your personal history, you're not the best person to listen to for an unbiased view.
The facts are clear. He was convicted of kidnapping. That makes him a convicted kidnapper.
It has already been covered in one of the links. He was convicted for kidnap.Gin&Tonic wrote:I'd like to know though, was he convicted of kidnapping or was he convicted of breaching orders.
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Sorry for you and your case G&T. Truly.
An example of a court questioning a child could be that father says my son wishes to live with me. The mother says this is BS. The child will be asked by a court official, which could take weeks. By this time the child has been schooled by the mother.
A child over 13 can normally remember most of the facts, and often returns to the father once in their early 20's to 30 years of age.
An example of a court questioning a child could be that father says my son wishes to live with me. The mother says this is BS. The child will be asked by a court official, which could take weeks. By this time the child has been schooled by the mother.
A child over 13 can normally remember most of the facts, and often returns to the father once in their early 20's to 30 years of age.
Marmite wrote:By reading the facts, you numpty. Instead of kneejerking a response, how about reading the posts on the thread of the forum you are supposed to moderate?scoffer wrote:
Where the fuck do you get the authority to say " Case closed. He was convicted of kidnap,,,. etc ""
Have you had children, have you experienced the legal system in UK. AU. EU ???
Truly,
I think you are just some angry know all cunt that knows nothing about how these things work out.
Fact: He was convicted of kidnapping and sentenced to one year in prison. He was the subject of an international manhunt. He kept the girl on a boat for over two years. Therefore, the case is closed as to whether he kidnapped his child or not.
You are being a dick head Marmite,
For no other reason that just for the sake of being a Cunt.
You claim "Facts" - He was convicted etc, etc,,,. this argument is paper thin.
The emotional trauma experienced by both of the partners when a relationship breaks down can be intense.
The Husband and Wife will tell lies to win a case when it's presented to a court of law.
But sometimes you need to ask a simple question to the child who they're fighting over.
Who would you like to be with?
On top of this you get the press making it into a front page article and misrepresenting the events.
So I would ask you to speak from experience.
Or refrain from being so judgemental.
I refuse to go out with nothing more than a whimper followed by a small farting sound and a shit stain on my bed sheets..
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
DF wrote:Sorry for you and your case G&T. Truly.
An example of a court questioning a child could be that father says my son wishes to live with me. The mother says this is BS. The child will be asked by a court official, which could take weeks. By this time the child has been schooled by the mother.
A child over 13 can normally remember most of the facts, and often returns to the father once in their early 20's to 30 years of age.
I have history with this. My parents seperated when I was 8. I wanted to live with my mother. My sister (a year younger than me) wanted to live with my dad. Both parents were happy with this arrangement, but the courts took the view that my sister and I shouldnt be seperated and gave custody of us both to my dad.
That made the bus ride home a bit awkward, and the next nine years a lot of fun.
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