Spend more time at Aeon Mall and less time in the slums next time you come? I don't know where you're from, but there's probably quite a spread from least livable to most livable areas, too. Or move to Vietnam, it does feel "more civilized" by and large.HappyBoy wrote:I stayed in PP for a month a few years ago, and I was taken aback by the extreme poverty, garbage and pollution and overall lack of development.
From First World to Third World.
Maybe the big city life in a 3rd world country isnt your thing. You gotta be special to like that.
If you go to Kampot or Sihanoukville there sure will be poverty too but not the same way as you see it in Phnom penh with kids hanging under the bridges breathing glue, poor ppl taking over the parks etc. Sure once in a while you might see a kid with a bag of glue and some nutjob walking around naked but its so rare compared to Phnom penh (depending on were you live ofc). Now Sihanoukville "city" aint the nicest either but its small and the time required to get away from it, like to a beach without any houses or chineese ppl is farily short. So you have both sides within your reach.
If you go to Kampot or Sihanoukville there sure will be poverty too but not the same way as you see it in Phnom penh with kids hanging under the bridges breathing glue, poor ppl taking over the parks etc. Sure once in a while you might see a kid with a bag of glue and some nutjob walking around naked but its so rare compared to Phnom penh (depending on were you live ofc). Now Sihanoukville "city" aint the nicest either but its small and the time required to get away from it, like to a beach without any houses or chineese ppl is farily short. So you have both sides within your reach.
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I was trolling Gavinmac for a "baller" comment, but I guess you beat him to it.Playboy wrote:Why would a Grade A Baller like young Miggle need a valet, surely his own driver would take responsibility for the car after dropping him off at the door ?
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And still a place for zeros to be heroes, and whatever you think you ares, especially in entertainment to stfu,
(it's a street justice kind of thang), so better be proper or fists of glory will emphasize it in a very physical way!!
cut loy
(it's a street justice kind of thang), so better be proper or fists of glory will emphasize it in a very physical way!!
cut loy
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Google Translate gave up on this; does anyone have a clue?businessclass wrote:And still a place for zeros to be heroes, and whatever you think you ares, especially in entertainment to stfu,
(it's a street justice kind of thang), so better be proper or fists of glory will emphasize it in a very physical way!!
cut loy
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Und noch ein Platz für Nullen, um Helden zu sein, und was auch immer du denkst, du ares, besonders in der Unterhaltung zu stfu,
(Es ist eine Straße Gerechtigkeit Art von thang), so besser richtig oder Fäuste der Herrlichkeit wird es in einer sehr körperlichen Weise zu betonen!
Schneiden Sie sich
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And still a place for zeros to be heroes, and whatever you think, you ares, especially in conversation to stfu,
(There is a street justice kind of thang), so better right or fists of glory will emphasize it in a very physical way!
Cut yourself
(Es ist eine Straße Gerechtigkeit Art von thang), so besser richtig oder Fäuste der Herrlichkeit wird es in einer sehr körperlichen Weise zu betonen!
Schneiden Sie sich
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And still a place for zeros to be heroes, and whatever you think, you ares, especially in conversation to stfu,
(There is a street justice kind of thang), so better right or fists of glory will emphasize it in a very physical way!
Cut yourself
It's real tough to settle in to a city like PP, or Cambodia in general. Rubbish strewn streets and rats the sjze of cats everywhere you look. Poverty, pimping and prostitution on every corner, as you've mentioned.Happyboy wrote:I stayed in PP for a month a few years ago and I was taken aback by the extreme poverty, garbage and pollution and overall lack of development. I am just wondering how the longer term expats here coped with the transition to living in Cambodia and how long it took. Is there al a high percentage of expats who just can't adjust to Cambodia and end up going to another Country....
If you want to settle here, take advice from other expats and do as they do. Stick to the bars and stay off the streets. You can drink all day for the price of a couple of pints back home. No need to buy a girl drinks all night only to find out at the end of the night she's lesbian. No. Get right in there and buy one for 20 bucks.
Blind drunk, in a tuk tuk with some 20 year old, polishing your nob all the way home, you won't even notice the rubbish, rats, poverty or stench.
Chill out and enjoy it while you can. Tourists pay thousands for the experience.
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People always mention rats on here. Have they not been to Paris, NYC, DC, or any of the other cities infested with them? I hardly see rats here, actually. However I was at a rather nice establishment the other night, last two customers there, and some rats ran through. That was a shocker.
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The German makes even less sense.businessclass wrote:Und noch ein Platz für Nullen, um Helden zu sein, und was auch immer du denkst, du ares, besonders in der Unterhaltung zu stfu,
(Es ist eine Straße Gerechtigkeit Art von thang), so besser richtig oder Fäuste der Herrlichkeit wird es in einer sehr körperlichen Weise zu betonen!
Schneiden Sie sich
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And still a place for zeros to be heroes, and whatever you think, you ares, especially in conversation to stfu,
(There is a street justice kind of thang), so better right or fists of glory will emphasize it in a very physical way!
Cut yourself
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Lots of rats in Berlin and I guess pretty much any city in the world. Does not faze me at all. If you really want to see how many rats are around, go for a run early in the morning or at night.Miguelito wrote:People always mention rats on here. Have they not been to Paris, NYC, DC, or any of the other cities infested with them? I hardly see rats here, actually. However I was at a rather nice establishment the other night, last two customers there, and some rats ran through. That was a shocker.
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Mèo Đen wrote:Quite a lot of development is happening.HappyBoy wrote:The relatively low cost of living and the favourable visa situation are huge for deciding to live in Cambodia. For these benefits however, it seems that a Westerner has to give up a lot in return. The biggest being enjoying first world living conditions. I stayed in PP for a month a few years ago, and I was taken aback by the extreme poverty, garbage and pollution and overall lack of development. I am just wondering how the longer term expats here coped with the transition to living in Cambodia and how long it took. Is there also a high percentage of expats who just can't adjust to Cambodia and end up going to another Country....
Good accommodation available:
Plenty of good restaurants and wine bars
Unless you are working in development for some NGO or walking around on foot in some of the city's poorer areas you don't really come into contact with much poverty, garbage or pollution. The real hassle now in Phnom Penh is the state of the traffic and the appalling driving. In the last couple of years the population has doubled to around three million.
I have lived in Melbourne before and I found Phnom Penh in some ways similar with respect to the type of accommodation available and the availability of good restaurants and wine bars. But Phnom Penh has a better climate and is considerably cheaper. As I have said previously the downside is the appalling state of the traffic.
I've been in both Phnom Penh and Melbourne recently. Seriously, I had to keep asking people which city I was in because they were barely distinguishable.
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That is a funny post. lol.DF wrote:
It's real tough to settle in to a city like PP, or Cambodia in general. Rubbish strewn streets and rats the sjze of cats everywhere you look. Poverty, pimping and prostitution on every corner, as you've mentioned.
If you want to settle here, take advice from other expats and do as they do. Stick to the bars and stay off the streets. You can drink all day for the price of a couple of pints back home. No need to buy a girl drinks all night only to find out at the end of the night she's lesbian. No. Get right in there and buy one for 20 bucks.
Blind drunk, in a tuk tuk with some 20 year old, polishing your nob all the way home, you won't even notice the rubbish, rats, poverty or stench.
Chill out and enjoy it while you can. Tourists pay thousands for the experience.
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This is my first trip to the KOW, but it strikes that peoples drive quite nicely, people in hotels, taxis and better supermarkets speak English, and You can breathe the air. Ok, some stench from rubbish and exhaust, but not that WMD style air You have in China. Negative compared to China is the seemingly total absence of medical facilities. I saw one hospital on Sisowath north of the National Museum, but basically Cambodia seems rid of hospitals. May be I should look closer. But people seem friendly in the central areas I've frequented. The slums are probably worse. But China has plenty of place much more run down and ugly than this. Even central Beijing is full of garbage.
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Now ranting about the experience ONGOING
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