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Post by palm_tree » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:34 pm

Joon wrote:
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Joon wrote:The GDT went after Nagacorp to pay back taxes when they realized that the company was making huge profits on non-gaming activities.

https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/36 ... wing-audit

I didn't see anybody getting outraged on behalf of Nagacorp.
On the contrary, kudos were given to the tax collectors.

So you think this is not politically motivated? It's just purely a tax issue?

It seems everyone agrees that the Cambodia Daily is not making much profit- in contrast to Naga Corp as you mentioned.

The Cambodia Daily played this either very naively or arrogantly over the last two decades and if they are as accountable as they are perceived, showing external audit reports of their Balance Sheet and Profit and Loss would clear that up.

At least the Post had the merit of becoming a corporate entity and make it clear that they are a profit-making business and the bottom line is what they need to continue their operations.
Maybe they just thought that they are a non-profit organization and so they do not have to pay VAT?

It's so easy to blame and criticize when you haven't actually talked to them to hear why they took the actions they did. The tone of your post is all about passing judgement without having all of the information.
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:41 pm

RBD wrote: The arrogance of much of the expat community in Cambodia can be overpowering. Since 1997 (at least) the CD has been unfailingly critical of HE and has wholly ignored any possibility that he 'might' have done something positive during his time in power (not arguing so - not the issue here). ..... Irrespective of the rights or wrong of this tax demand, the paper should have been more balanced in its reporting over the past years. If you make enemies with an elephant, expect to be trampled upon.
Good points. The Daily consistently ignores any of the gains of the past couple of decades. They try and sell the "Paris Peace Accords" finally brought peace to Cambodia line, and rarely if ever mention the very concerning racist tones of the opposition. These young starry-eyed foreigners turn up here and think they have the whole place figured after reading some daft shit from Joel Brinkley or Loung Ung. There are of course plenty of real news to report, they should have stuck to that instead of being so partisan in every article. Now they are fuct. 8-)
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Post by Spigzy » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:54 pm

I don't think it makes a sod of difference criticizing a CPP government/GDT for enforcing the rules long flouted I'd wager by many NGOs whilst milking donor money & misappropriating funds. But as Felg pointed out, if you're going to behave like a Cambodian business, you better have an ace in the hole connections-wise & play by the unwritten tribute rules to keep prying eyes out of your business.

I would sympathize if there was a list of other NGOs/companies on the GDT bad books and yet they were still persecuting CD first, for peanuts; then you've definitely got a clear cut case that this is politically motivated. I don't think anyone here is arguing that it isn't election/politically motivated, but right now CD stands accused alone. As I said, it is best for CD to use its investigative journalism powers (or gavinmac) to expose other more serious breaches to show the witch hunt for what it is- until then, just looks like HE's chums at GDT are taking care of business as usual, and another sucker has given him all he needs to do it entirely legally.

Both companies I've worked for in Cambodia have contributed hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes when others haven't, and both made huge contributions to the development of Cambodia beyond those tax dollars also. Both did so against an undercurrent of unscrupulous competition not even having a license in some cases, let alone paying tax properly. Trust me when you're paying tax and the other guys aren't, it impacts your ability to compete on such an uneven playing field. So for me I have more sympathy with PPP, Koh Santepheap & Rasmei Kampuchea in this example- CD was playing dirty, wittingly or not. It's a real pity as I've also come across some great journalists at CD, and their hard work & great contribution to journalism & Cambodia is now overshadowed by dreadful mismanagement.

It's like Sam Rainsy wrote the CD script, and everyone knows how that ends sorry.
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Post by Alexandra » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:00 pm

Spigzy wrote:I would sympathize if there was a list of other NGOs/companies on the GDT bad books and yet they were still persecuting CD first, for peanuts; then you've definitely got a clear cut case that this is politically motivated.
19 radio stations were shut down last week for different reasons but clearly there is a trend where the media is under investigation by various ministries. https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/ange ... ir-134077/

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Post by palm_tree » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:47 am

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palm_tree wrote:Not sure why many of the commenters on here just endlessly blame the Cambodia Daily for this- can you have even one word to criticize the government for their actions? Or are you just to scared to do so?

So easy to pick on a newspaper but not so easy to criticize the CPP? Maybe it's all linked to the work permit somehow.
Not sure why you think anybody else is to blame for Cambodia Daily's refusal to pay taxes.

So easy to pick on a government but not so easy to pay taxes? Maybe it's all linked to voodoo in Nigeria somehow.

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Again, I'm not sure if you're actually reading the material and putting any thought into it or just spouting off. The Cambodia Daily has not indicated that they are refusing to pay taxes. They have indicated a willingness to discuss it with the GDT and have been ignored.

I'm not saying that Cambodia Daily has done nothing wrong (I don't have all the information so I can't make that call) but I just find that the people posting here that are all attacking the Cambodia Daily are way out of balance.
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Post by palm_tree » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:56 am

Lucky Lucan wrote:
RBD wrote: The arrogance of much of the expat community in Cambodia can be overpowering. Since 1997 (at least) the CD has been unfailingly critical of HE and has wholly ignored any possibility that he 'might' have done something positive during his time in power (not arguing so - not the issue here). ..... Irrespective of the rights or wrong of this tax demand, the paper should have been more balanced in its reporting over the past years. If you make enemies with an elephant, expect to be trampled upon.
Good points. The Daily consistently ignores any of the gains of the past couple of decades. They try and sell the "Paris Peace Accords" finally brought peace to Cambodia line, and rarely if ever mention the very concerning racist tones of the opposition. These young starry-eyed foreigners turn up here and think they have the whole place figured after reading some daft shit from Joel Brinkley or Loung Ung. There are of course plenty of real news to report, they should have stuck to that instead of being so partisan in every article. Now they are fuct. 8-)
A number of people have mentioned how they perceive the Daily to be so biased. I don't actually find it to be that biased. I think they just call out the government's shit for what it is.

Even if we take this point, and consider it to be an opposition newspaper, I would say it is still healthy for the country overall. The media environment is so out of balance here that it would be helpful to have more of an 'opposition' point of view represented.

There are of course plenty of real news to report I can't believ you would even write this. Do you actually read this newspaper? And you don't think they report on "real" news? Give me a break!

I guess you need to watch the 20 or so TV stations in Cambodia and then I'm sure you will get the 'real' news!
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Post by palm_tree » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:08 am

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I would sympathize if there was a list of other NGOs/companies on the GDT bad books and yet they were still persecuting CD first, for peanuts; then you've definitely got a clear cut case that this is politically motivated.
I don't think we would know if there were a bunch of other NGOs/companies on the GDT bad books. I think this kind of thing is supposed to be confidential. Or, another case would be that there are many companies and NGOs that are actually doing dodgy things, and the GDT is just being lax about it and don't even know about it.

As it is, in the NGO world we have GDT investigating:

LICADHO: Human Rights NGO
ADHOC: Human Rights NGO
COMFREL: Election monitor
Cambodia Daily.

Out of more than 1,100 active NGOs the choose to investigate these four.

It doesn't seem suspicious at all! :prey:
Spigzy wrote: Both companies I've worked for in Cambodia have contributed hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes when others haven't, and both made huge contributions to the development of Cambodia beyond those tax dollars also. Both did so against an undercurrent of unscrupulous competition not even having a license in some cases, let alone paying tax properly. Trust me when you're paying tax and the other guys aren't, it impacts your ability to compete on such an uneven playing field. So for me I have more sympathy with PPP, Koh Santepheap & Rasmei Kampuchea in this example- CD was playing dirty, wittingly or not. It's a real pity as I've also come across some great journalists at CD, and their hard work & great contribution to journalism & Cambodia is now overshadowed by dreadful mismanagement.

It's like Sam Rainsy wrote the CD script, and everyone knows how that ends sorry.
That's cool that your companies were paying their taxes properly! Hats off to them!
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:40 am

palm_tree wrote:
There are of course plenty of real news to report I can't believ you would even write this. Do you actually read this newspaper? And you don't think they report on "real" news? Give me a break!
You misread that. I meant that there is real news which they do report, often exposing important issues. They should do that without fear or favor though.
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Post by starkmonster » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:17 am

palm_tree wrote:
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palm_tree wrote:Read through everyone's responses; I was not able to keep up with these events as they happened, such as reading the articles everyday. I haven't read all the documents in GavinMac's link to the Cambodia Daily. But she does say: "This tax bill, which dates back 10 years, has no basis in reality. Even without performing an audit yet, the Cambodian government is imposing a 20% profit tax on revenue. They are both accusing us of being subsidized because we are running at a loss and at the same time demanding a 20% profit tax on all of our revenue".
The profit tax is a straw man. In the (incomplete) series of documents posted by the Daily that GavinMac posted from the tax department quite clearly states that salary tax is the issue here.

Disagree. It seems to me that the most detailed document published, indicates that VAT is the main factor, or one of the main factors. https://www.cambodiadaily.com/cdfiles/w ... -Vibol.pdf
That letter is from the Daily, read the letters from the tax department. They clearly say salary tax.

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Post by Garry Crabtree » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:05 am

I stand with palm-tree and the CD, and I'm a firm believer in free press.

After all, its vitally important that when traveling we have perfectly creased trousers.
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Post by Marmite » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:04 pm

Is there any chance palm-tree is a Cambodia Daily plant?
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Post by Spigzy » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:59 pm

Marmite wrote:Is there any chance palm-tree is a Cambodia Daily plant?
Dog save us if plants have evolved to this level!!

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Post by Miguelito » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:38 am

Saw this event on FB, for Saturday:
With the possible closure of the Cambodia Daily and the looming redundancy of our colleagues the Overseas Press Club of Cambodia is calling a town hall meeting for all journalists followed by informal drinks.

Please come to share your thoughts and ideas about the current situation in Cambodia

Please come to support your colleagues

The meeting will be held upstairs 1700-1830 and drinks and food after that at the bar
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Miguelito wrote:Saw this event on FB, for Saturday:
With the possible closure of the Cambodia Daily and the looming redundancy of our colleagues the Overseas Press Club of Cambodia is calling a town hall meeting for all journalists followed by informal drinks.

Please come to share your thoughts and ideas about the current situation in Cambodia

Please come to support your colleagues

The meeting will be held upstairs 1700-1830 and drinks and food after that at the bar
If I was the government, I'd raid it to check everyone has a valid visa and work permit. Not to find anyone, but just for shits and giggles and to piss them off even more.
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