Jordan Peterson Interview
The novel August 1914 has a character named Bogrov who is an anarchist and a Jewish person and Solzhenitsyn literally ascribes to this character every negative characteristic that is stereotypically ascribed to the Jewish people. His characterization is incredibly offensive and it was at that point when reading his trash that I realized that this celebrated Nobel Laureate was in fact nothing more than a rabid and virulent antisemite of the basest type.
“If I would care to generalise, and to say that the life of the Jews in the camps was especially hard, I could, and would not face reproach for an unjust national generalisation. But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw – their life was softer than that of others.” - Solzhenitsyn
This quote is particularly upsetting to me because as most people know, the Jews suffered tremendously under Stalin's antisemitic reign. To implicate the Jews for the Russian Revolution or to imply that they were somehow a critical and necessary component of the revolution is not only inaccurate but seriously problematic and even dangerous to adherents of the Jewish faith.
“If I would care to generalise, and to say that the life of the Jews in the camps was especially hard, I could, and would not face reproach for an unjust national generalisation. But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw – their life was softer than that of others.” - Solzhenitsyn
This quote is particularly upsetting to me because as most people know, the Jews suffered tremendously under Stalin's antisemitic reign. To implicate the Jews for the Russian Revolution or to imply that they were somehow a critical and necessary component of the revolution is not only inaccurate but seriously problematic and even dangerous to adherents of the Jewish faith.
I don't understand how any rational person can watch this and not conclude that Solzhenitsyn is anything other than a zealot and a fanatical and spiteful person.
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Another potentially interesting thread and debate completely derailed by kindergarten logic:
Poster 1: Here's an interesting talking point from Personality X, what do you guys think?
Poster 2: Personality X once quoted Personality Z. Personality Z once possibly said something unrelated to the quote used by personality X, that some people today possibly find offensive. Therefore all of the arguments and insights presented by Personality X are now invalid and should be dismissed.
Poster 3/4/5: Question the offensiveness or relevance of the quotes made by personality Z, conversation is derailed from the original topic and becomes a conversation on the virtue and moral character of Personality Z.
The age of reason, logic and philosophy is dead.
Poster 1: Here's an interesting talking point from Personality X, what do you guys think?
Poster 2: Personality X once quoted Personality Z. Personality Z once possibly said something unrelated to the quote used by personality X, that some people today possibly find offensive. Therefore all of the arguments and insights presented by Personality X are now invalid and should be dismissed.
Poster 3/4/5: Question the offensiveness or relevance of the quotes made by personality Z, conversation is derailed from the original topic and becomes a conversation on the virtue and moral character of Personality Z.
The age of reason, logic and philosophy is dead.
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She definitely didn't handle the interview very well. She had an agenda from the start, which is understandable, but she refused to listen to his rather clear explanations and derailed the discussion numerous times while he was I'm the middle of clarifying his position. Still, I like that they both stayed civil throughout.
Except that Personality X (Jordan Peterson) says that Personality Z (Solzhenitsyn) has profoundly influenced his thinking and shaped his worldview. Personality X also frequently cites the works of Personality Y (Carl Jung) even though Carl Jung was a predator who used his position of authority to exploit his patients. Peterson also speaks fondly of Ayn Rand, a so-called libertarian philosopher who defended the genocide of the indigenous peoples of Americas.starkmonster wrote:Another potentially interesting thread and debate completely derailed by kindergarten logic:
Poster 1: Here's an interesting talking point from Personality X, what do you guys think?
Poster 2: Personality X once quoted Personality Z. Personality Z once possibly said something unrelated to the quote used by personality X, that some people today possibly find offensive. Therefore all of the arguments and insights presented by Personality X are now invalid and should be dismissed.
Poster 3/4/5: Question the offensiveness or relevance of the quotes made by personality Z, conversation is derailed from the original topic and becomes a conversation on the virtue and moral character of Personality Z.
The age of reason, logic and philosophy is dead.
Peterson promotes these types of thinkers and their ideas and he does so knowing full well that what they've said and what they've thought is sick and depraved. The only conclusion is that he himself is sick and depraved.
If I were to say that my role models are Hitler and Churchill and constantly use quotations from Mein Kampf and Churchhill's war memoirs, then most people would quite reasonably judge me to be a bigot and a bloodthirsty fanatic and they would criticize me for admiring such men.
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And on page 2 Harold invokes Godwin's law. We're clearly out of our depth here chaps, I think we should move on.
You're right, Winston was a right beast.Harold wrote:
If I were to say that my role models are Hitler and Churchill and constantly use quotations from Mein Kampf and Churchhill's war memoirs, then most people would quite reasonably judge me to be a bigot and a bloodthirsty fanatic.
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Christ, next Dickens and Shakespeare will be banned because they had a bad Jewish character in their works (Fagin and Shylock).
Solzhenitsyn anti-Semitic. Sigh.
Newsflash: there are good and BAD (the horror! he said it!) Jewish people.
Why is it the unpardonable sin to write about a bad Jewish person, but not when one writes about a bad Christian/Hindu/Buddhist?
Literature is representative of life: if it exists, we write about it.
Solzhenitsyn anti-Semitic. Sigh.
Newsflash: there are good and BAD (the horror! he said it!) Jewish people.
Why is it the unpardonable sin to write about a bad Jewish person, but not when one writes about a bad Christian/Hindu/Buddhist?
Literature is representative of life: if it exists, we write about it.
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I obviously used Churchhill and Hitler as examples because they, like Solzhenitsyn, are antisemites who blamed the Russian Revolution on the Jewish people. Anyways, why don't you quit beating around the bush and actually address the point I was trying to make in my last post?starkmonster wrote:And on page 2 Harold invokes Godwin's law. We're clearly out of our depth here chaps, I think we should move on.
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Karl Marx and Trotsky were both Jewish....Plus Harald you should like Peterson he specialized in alcoholism and has helped many of your native brothers fighting against the disorder. have you got a problem with fire water?
Fred Edwards wrote:Karl Marx and Trotsky were both Jewish....Plus Harald you should like Peterson he specialized in alcoholism and has helped many of your native brothers fighting against the disorder. have you got a problem with fire water?
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are you trying to say I'm not happy? well it wasn't always that way I was quite a happy chap until I went to a pub quiz I met this quizmaster with bad breath. anyway I got his question on Churchill and when he was buried right.....pedros wrote:Fred Edwards wrote:Karl Marx and Trotsky were both Jewish....Plus Harald you should like Peterson he specialized in alcoholism and has helped many of your native brothers fighting against the disorder. have you got a problem with fire water?
most of my jokes fly right over the heads of the average person. in fact I would say maybe only 2% get it.
Not aimed at you Fred, bad use of quotation button.... hang on a minute.....
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